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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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between July 8 1947 here on the airport

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who has announced that a flying death -

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found and is now in the possession of

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the on a rig change the game changer

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I occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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this is fade to black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network an AGR a the global rain

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need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to a July

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with jimmy touch on the game change in

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the spoke radio

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massive

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how you doing

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Jonah's Wednesday April 10th

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100 days into the new year Jeff 265 days

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown Burbank

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California and I would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the United States whither and

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tither to and fro back and forth up and

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far and near this is fade to black for

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kjc are the game changer network in kg

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ra the planet I am your host Jimmy

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Church

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watch this curve rockin put a great week

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and continuing that tradition of the

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brightest and the best

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tonight's for the first time very

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special guest UFO researcher and author

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MJ bond is is here we're going to talk

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about his new book it is called the UFO

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people and I have read it and I'm just

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gonna say this is a book for everyone

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whatever whatever aspect of ufology you

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you follow yourself in you fall into I

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should say this is the book you've got

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to get this book that's called the UFO

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people and we're gonna get into this in

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depth tonight and it's written from a

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perspective that I was speaking MJ

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before the show it was it's like it's I

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wish I would have written this book you

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know it's it's really that good

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so check it out we'll get the links up

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for everybody you can certainly go to

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his website too and the links are right

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there at immature radio.com and we'll

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get them up there in twitter and you can

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go and check it out I believe that the

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book right now is available in Kindle

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and then the full release I think is

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tomorrow the next day and so you can go

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and get it right now

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tomorrow night is another Fator night

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with open lines all night long okay and

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I'm sure we're going to be discussing

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this book tomorrow night it's a it's a

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page-turner it's really really well done

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that's what you want to do educators

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radio I'm looking here MJ just popped up

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here in Twitter let me go back and just

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get this it's oh man you guys tweet too

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much man I can't I cannot keep up with

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in the sandbox so you can go and follow

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a hashtag f2 B is the sandbox hashtag f2

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also email throughout the show Jimmy and

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at kg are a the planet alright let's get

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to the breaking news just get this out

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of the way first because today I

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announced this last night and it

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happened it really did the first image

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of a black hole was released today the

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supermassive black hole and is shadow

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m87 now in the press release yesterday

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gonna be the photograph today they said

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middle and then it's got a ring of light

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for everybody here living on this planet

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that is an amazing picture I'm looking

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at it here and you know we've seen all

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artwork of black holes over the years

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of a black hole that is absolutely

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wonder what that that bright the bright

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about everybody thought to all right

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today Michael avenatti right the

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attorney was the subject of a federal

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warrant happened today that resulted in

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the seizure of his private jet worth

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agents seized a Honda H a 420

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twin-engine jet from the Santa Barbara

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after a federal judge issued a warrant

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now it turns out he's got two jets right

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there is a flight scheduled on his

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behalf and maybe he was gonna surrender

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the jet or fly out of the country right

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we don't know but the feds jumped in and

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before he had a chance to get on the

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plane and absolutely just took it they

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someplace Chino California that's where

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they would blue to Chino and it's being

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held there by the feds they don't know

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if this is the closure of his of his tax

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deal that feels like 18 million dollars

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in taxes I think that's what it is or he

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made 18 million dollars and but he

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hasn't filed taxes in ten years that's

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for sure and he's deposited 38 million

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dollars of one account has it paid any

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federal taxes but he did was able to buy

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a couple of planes Michael a vanetti

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after his if they're gonna go after his

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second plane there you go

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Michael have a naughty all right

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announced today you know I'm the big

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Reid and I are big TV people big TV

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people and whether it's it's you know

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is this a la carte which I enjoy right

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this a la carte way of watching TV

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you're not bound to one TV service right

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there's tons of them well today YouTube

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television now when you go and buy a

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pre-loaded software and then you start

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spend spend spend a lot of people think

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they're cutting the cable right there

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kind of the cable they're not gonna be

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spending that money you know but it's

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not really the case because if you start

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adding up things and you look at what

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your monthly bill is well today YouTube

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television is raising their subscription

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prices to $49.99 per month

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that's right $49.99 per month the Google

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owned company announced the price hike

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in a blog post earlier today AT&T

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recently announced plans to raise the

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price of its own DirecTV now which is

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another subscription service right so

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they've raised the prices on that and

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Hulu has just raised the price of its

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live TV product by five dollars a month

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to forty five bucks a month Netflix has

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just raised its prices and the market is

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really really getting crowded I mean

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just get a smart TV start poking around

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and look at all of the apps with

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subscriptions on them right oh there you

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can get them all for free but then when

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you want to watch something you have to

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pay for it right $10 a month and or up

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or or more so some are less not really

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and if you're gonna pay less you're

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gonna get commercials right well anyway

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it doesn't matter

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Apple just moved into the streaming

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business that was announced last month

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and both Disney and Warner media are

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planning their own services as well so

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yes it's starting to get very crowded

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and you can top all of that off with

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t-mobile who today announced its new

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t vision television right get a t-mobile

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T vision platform again another

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streaming service it's nuts nuts you

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start adding all of this up and you

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thinking man I should have just kept my

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cable you start poking around in the

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next thing you know you know you got

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Netflix and Hulu premium and and DirecTV

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and Amazon and you're paying for all of

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these new movies and it's really strange

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because sometimes DirecTV gets them

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first the new movies sometimes it's

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Amazon Amazon's always a couple of bucks

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cheaper one is always first and in front

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of the other one and sometimes one has

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it over the other and you start cracking

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at those at $19.99 for a purchase and

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you do that a few times a month but you

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know right and then the rentals $6.99

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$6.99 like okay yeah we'll watch it

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we'll watch it yeah no big deal we'll

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watch it and the next thing you know

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you're dealing with hundreds and

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hundreds and hundreds of dollars per

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month and and then go go and purchase a

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TV series under $50 right or maleeni to

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because it'll be 50 bucks for the series

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or $10 per episode all right yeah it's a

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crowded market okay other big news today

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I don't know if it went down actually it

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was supposed to I didn't get a chance to

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check this out right before the show so

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let me see if it actually happened yet

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tada

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okay I don't see it here I thought the

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announcement would have happened already

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Falcon X the heavy the falcon heavy

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SpaceX's Falcon Heavy the most powerful

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launch vehicle in the world today was

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going to make its first commercial

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flight between 6:30 and 8:30 p.m.

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Eastern Time which that window is past

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so I don't know if it launched

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can somebody somebody give me an update

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right here in Twitter I thought I would

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get a yes or no announcement on the

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launch and it was gonna carry up the

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Arabs at 6:00 a communication satellite

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into geostationary orbit over the Middle

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East and I it's called live radio I

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don't have it I don't have the update

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so was it postponed it was scrubbed ah

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according to Franky four fingers he says

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it's Cubs but I'm assuming ok the launch

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is tomorrow now

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Falcon did not launch okay there you go

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that's why it wasn't announcer well you

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today now this is weird this is the

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universe this is how the universe works

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and if you don't think it's an electric

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universe if you don't think that there

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is something going on yesterday I happen

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to mention in my opening rant the movie

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a i right

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i I did in my rent and I was talking

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about light being so I was talking about

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the end of the movie and and how et was

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represented and I mentioned Haley Joel

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Osment

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and remembers name yesterday but I did

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remember his name eventually but anyway

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I mentioned him yesterday and just

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popped in my head today it's his

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birthday

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crazy is that he is 30 years old did you

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see what was that was was that the new

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version of the x-files what he was in

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something with Mulder and Scully or was

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that black mirror alone were the AI the

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robots were taking over I think that was

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Haley alright anyway on this day in

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history 1970 OTD Paul McCartney

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announces the breakup of the Beatles

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officially on this day April 10th 1970

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here's your fader fact all right here's

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your fader fact the Himalayan honeybee I

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want you to listen to me the Himalayan

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honeybee the largest the biggest of all

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of the honeybees makes a hallucinogenic

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honey

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it does it does and if you think the

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Himalayan honeybee is the only one that

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knows about it well now you do but so do

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the locals that's right well let's just

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say that they know what it is and they

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like to collect it there you go that's a

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fact

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you didn't know that did you you didn't

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know that they Himalayan honeybee all

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right tonight UFO researcher author MJ

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binaya is here and we're gonna be

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talking about his new book and it is

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called the UFO people and we're gonna be

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discussing this throughout the show

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tonight it's an incredible book and

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we'll get the links up right now for it

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in Twitter and you can of course click

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on the links over a 10 meter radio calm

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and terror obscura and it'll take you

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straight there and you can get the book

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there too as well okay now tomorrow

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night is open lines all night long

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okay all right its fate or night let me

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hit this coffee and

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I'm excited about the show couple of

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things and we're gonna be touching upon

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these subjects tonight with MJ but the

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book is called the UFO people and as I

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have been reading it over the last week

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or so a lot of memories came flooding

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back and one of the well the the the

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idea for the book is us write this this

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UFO community of ours that's that's the

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the foundation of the book but I just

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got got me thinking on so many different

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aspects of it of what this community is

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and I want to say this the the way that

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I feel about this community is that it's

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a very open community and that you are

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able to express and talk about things

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that you would never ever talk about at

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work with your family maybe write with

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your friends but you can go to a

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conference or you can go to a show like

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this so you can hang out in the sandbox

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or the chat rooms and I've seen it I've

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seen it it's gonna happen tonight people

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are just going to talk and they're gonna

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open up and that is one of the the

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beautiful aspects of us and there is

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another there's a couple of myths about

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the UFO community that I don't

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necessarily agree with and one of them

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and I'm gonna talk about this tonight

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with MJ one of them is that this is a

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white man's boys club kind of thing and

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I I don't that that's I think that's old

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school talk I think that is from the

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past or people that have never been a

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part of the community they make this

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observation from the outside I think it

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could be farther from the truth there's

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that part of it in that and also that

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it's there's a lot it's an older

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crowd it's an older generation and I and

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although MJ doesn't necessarily address

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this in the book about ages or race or

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or gender or anything like that but that

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that's what this community is it's a

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very open I've said it so many times

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before it's like a rainbow coalition

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where we can just all get together

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because when I look around sometimes I

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feel like I'm the only guy in the room

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right so many women represented

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sometimes I feel like I'm the oldest guy

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in the room I really do because I can

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look around

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and I can tell I'm like oh somebody

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older than me right over there this is

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great because at at every conference

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that I speak at and if you've ever had

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the privilege to to get to a conference

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and an attend one and and and then you

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you know you get you know you're out

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there knees you see what I do I'll

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always call out the oldest and the

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youngest in the audience and I'll give

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them shirts and I'm usually quite

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surprised because I have hit I think one

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time didn't we Rita didn't we I have to

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ask Rita this I think we we met a lady

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that drove a long ways with her daughter

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and she was a hundred years old it was a

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hundred and and and each conference

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there well I'm just shocked where I'll

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have kids five six seven years old and

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sometimes many of them and and we've got

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to have a little discussion as to who

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was younger right and I will always take

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those pictures and that's that's what I

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see I see such a young average age these

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days right and I think that everybody is

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represented I see everybody from all

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around the planet and in different

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countries and and from different

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backgrounds and you would just never get

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and that's where we are today it is

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totally different and the reason why I

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think that is is because in the years

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past in the 50s in the 60s and the 70s

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it was a different way to research and

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those were young people at one point

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that those crowds got older they was

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still stayed with ufology but we kind of

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skipped a generation today as certainly

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through the 1990s and 2000's leading up

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to now and this is now 2019 is that with

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with science and the availability of

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information out there those that were

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interested in the UFO subject now know

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more about science and space and galaxy

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in the Milky Way in the universe and and

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how many planets and stars are out there

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and and the question of alien life you

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know more life being out there is it's

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it's 100 percent of course there is so

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that that's what is causing this brand

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new influx into our community and that's

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that's the way that I see it today it's

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not like it was before

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I remember reading and I was reading

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this is in the late 90s I was reading

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about different UFO conferences and you

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know newspaper articles and articles

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about this and thing and a couple of

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videos where they're attending these

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conferences that were flooded with with

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gray hairs right blue hairs and you know

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that that's what was attending these

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conferences and that the the attending

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he's and the was was down and was low

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that's not the case today

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there are UFO conferences everywhere

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contacting the desert this year's gonna

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have 7,000 attendees conscious life Expo

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15,000 think about that alien con

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another Chuck in another of her

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different numbers there 7,000 10,000

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15,000 and that's going down here at the

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Los Angeles Convention Center here in

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a month so it's not that kind of party

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anymore and that's what this is about

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that's what this community is and that's

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what this book is about it's an amazing

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book so we're gonna talk about all of

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that our guest tonight is MJ bond is I

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am your host Jimmy Church the book is

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called the UFO people I'll be right back

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after this short break with tonight's

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guest MJ

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I'm your host Jimmy Church follow me on

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twitter @ JT radio we'll be right back

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after this short break stay with

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[Music]

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this is Nicole Church daughter of

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you-know-who and you're listening to

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fade to black on Jimmy Church radio.com

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welcome back pay the black I'm here hope

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tonight's MJ binaya

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all night long I just love hanging out

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educator he's an author his blog Tara

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obscura which we read avidly around here

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at fade to black by the way critically

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anomalous phenomena including UFOs he

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has been interviewed on many podcasts

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radio shows and his work has been

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featured in 40 and times magazine fate

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magazine and in the book UFOs reframing

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the debate MJ's a regular contributor to

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the website mysterious universe and

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hosts his own YouTube channel his first

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book the UFO people are curious culture

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is coming out tomorrow I believe it may

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be the next day we've got the links up

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there now and he lives up in Canada with

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his wife two children and a massive cat

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tonight we're gonna talk about that new

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book the UFO people and the current

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state of our UFO community his website

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is tara obscura net and i would like to

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welcome for the first time to fade to

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MJ benaiah same J good evening how are

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you I'm honored to be here I'm wonderful

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thank you so much for having me on the

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show man you know this is the deal and I

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love doing this MJ you're a first-time

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guest which means you get the first-time

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guests disclaimer which is MJ it's just

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you and I sitting on my couch having a

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conversation and where that conversation

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starts it starts where it ends it ends

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but we're gonna end as friends right

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that's it are you ready to go it sounds

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amazing I'm looking forward to it now

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the next time you come on the show you

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don't get the first-time guests

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disclaimer so you know just just enjoy

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it okay

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let's actually let's actually start here

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because we have first off we have a very

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large Canadian audience which you know

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you know about this we have a very large

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Canadian audience there's a lot of stuff

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that

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zone north of the United States the

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United States does not have you know a

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moratorium on all things UFO although it

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seems that way sometimes to the rest of

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the world but that's not the case a lot

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of stuff goes on up there and a lot of

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stuff goes on in your neighborhood now

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is it from where you grew up is that

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where the fascination started because

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things were always going around you up

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in the skies and your friends and

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everything else what what got to started

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into this well first of all I I've

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actually I'm one of those weird UFO

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people that's never actually seen a UFO

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so I'm I'm I'm in a very select and

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small grouping I propose Winnipeg where

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I live as well as sort of my surrounding

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area is generally a weird place we do

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have a lot of sort of paranormal

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activity happening there's a lot of

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haunted locations we do have our fair

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share of cryptids that are sort of seen

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around the the forests and we do have a

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fair share of UFO sightings I was a

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MUFON field investigator for a while so

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I definitely was sort of privy to a lot

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of that but I've got my personal

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interest begin I think when I was a kid

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my parents you know when I was quite

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young allowed me to watch you know

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television I probably shouldn't have I

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was watching x-files and the Outer

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Limits and you know all those sort of

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strange paranormal useful logical shows

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all those documentaries on on all the

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like you know Science Channel and

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History Channel and all that and like

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you know they raised a really messed up

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kid so you know good on them but that's

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kind of where it all started for me just

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I think how most kids get started you

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sort of have a weird childhood and weird

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upbringing and then you just kind of

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fall into it I suppose well okay now

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let's let's that it's a good place to

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start

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the your approach to things

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okay this book is written about the

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community and some of the some of the

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personalities that are inside and

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outside of of this community and you

727
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wrote it from that perspective but

728
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there's also a pretty cool way that you

729
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start the book

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Golf in that you went to MoveOn and you

731
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were expecting a few things to happen

732
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and I would too as well but you also

733
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mentioned in the book and I just want

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you to explain this that you had already

735
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been investigating UFOs when you went to

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MUFON that you had already had cases and

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and situations that were handed to you

738
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and that you were already checking out

739
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explain that how were you some

740
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independent investigator before MUFON

741
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sure yeah so when I was in Rosen

742
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University I'm a lot of my University

743
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work based around cultural studies and

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and theory so I was really interested in

745
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in some cultures in particular and how

746
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communities form around like certain

747
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ideas so if you look at UFOs for example

748
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you know there's definitely UFO

749
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community that sort of hovers around

750
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this UFO question when I left University

751
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I you know like sort of got married got

752
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a job you know did all that and there

753
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:45,400
was a temporary sort of period where I

754
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met up with some local paranormal

755
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investigators and I began working with

756
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them

757
00:38:54,750 --> 00:38:52,630
I wasn't really sort of doing a lot of

758
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investigations but more sort of helping

759
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:56,140
them with email and their website and

760
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:57,130
just doing the more technical stuff

761
00:38:59,309 --> 00:38:58,000
because I really wanted to get to know

762
00:39:02,220 --> 00:38:59,319
them I really wanted to get to know them

763
00:39:03,690 --> 00:39:02,230
as people and why they were going to

764
00:39:06,420 --> 00:39:03,700
people's houses in the middle of the

765
00:39:10,020 --> 00:39:06,430
night and looking for ghosts right and

766
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:10,030
and they got a case that was emailed in

767
00:39:15,329 --> 00:39:13,119
about a sort of an alien abduction case

768
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:15,339
and then what started to happen was a

769
00:39:19,770 --> 00:39:17,530
few more cases came in in regards to UFO

770
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:19,780
sightings and and no one really like the

771
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:21,310
people who are sending them in didn't

772
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:23,050
know what to do with them you know this

773
00:39:26,730 --> 00:39:25,359
is a paranormal group so we'll send it

774
00:39:29,940 --> 00:39:26,740
to you I guess and it's an abduction

775
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:29,950
case or it's a UFO case or it's a you

776
00:39:34,109 --> 00:39:32,800
know yeah UFO sighting case so I started

777
00:39:35,819 --> 00:39:34,119
to kind of deal with them myself because

778
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:35,829
the paranormal group wasn't really

779
00:39:40,109 --> 00:39:37,210
interested they were more interested in

780
00:39:41,609 --> 00:39:40,119
ghost hunting and and for me this was

781
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:41,619
something a little more you know my

782
00:39:47,099 --> 00:39:44,800
speed so I picked up a few cases and I

783
00:39:49,410 --> 00:39:47,109
got in touch with another local UFO

784
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:49,420
investigator researcher and offering and

785
00:39:53,630 --> 00:39:51,810
Chris Rutkowski who lives in Winnipeg

786
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:53,640
written several books on UFOs and we

787
00:39:58,370 --> 00:39:55,650
started kind of working together and I

788
00:40:00,380 --> 00:39:58,380
started writing about some of my cases

789
00:40:03,050 --> 00:40:00,390
and my experiences sort of being with

790
00:40:06,380 --> 00:40:03,060
these different sort of experiences and

791
00:40:07,790 --> 00:40:06,390
witnesses and I wrote my own blog and

792
00:40:10,460 --> 00:40:07,800
then eventually I sort of realized I had

793
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:10,470
to get my hands really dirty being an

794
00:40:15,950 --> 00:40:12,810
armchair researcher was fine but I

795
00:40:17,780 --> 00:40:15,960
needed to kind of get into the field and

796
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:17,790
so I decided to become a MUFON field

797
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:20,250
investigator and sort of it kind of took

798
00:40:22,730 --> 00:40:21,690
off from there I was a move-on field

799
00:40:25,130 --> 00:40:22,740
investigator for about two and a half

800
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:25,140
years you know did tons and tons of

801
00:40:30,140 --> 00:40:27,450
sighting reports looked at a lot of star

802
00:40:33,410 --> 00:40:30,150
charts and and maps and then pictures of

803
00:40:34,970 --> 00:40:33,420
Venus and it sort of took off from there

804
00:40:39,170 --> 00:40:34,980
I suppose and I wrote a book about it

805
00:40:42,380 --> 00:40:39,180
now you I didn't pull up this specific

806
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:42,390
quote but there's a line in it that I

807
00:40:49,010 --> 00:40:45,450
really enjoyed when he said when you

808
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:49,020
when he joined MUFON you were expecting

809
00:40:54,890 --> 00:40:53,250
you know the grandiose things right the

810
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:54,900
sightings maybe you were gonna get

811
00:41:00,920 --> 00:40:59,040
abducted I don't know that that you were

812
00:41:03,410 --> 00:41:00,930
excited about everything in and it

813
00:41:06,770 --> 00:41:03,420
turned out to be well it's a lot of work

814
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:06,780
but that didn't happen did it no yeah I

815
00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:08,730
talked about how I sort of you know I

816
00:41:12,890 --> 00:41:11,400
got my MUFON field investigators ID

817
00:41:14,660 --> 00:41:12,900
badge or whatever it was and I was like

818
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:14,670
this is the coolest thing in the

819
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:16,770
universe and you know in reality it is

820
00:41:20,570 --> 00:41:18,000
like the least coolest thing in the

821
00:41:22,070 --> 00:41:20,580
universe to me at the time it was like

822
00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:22,080
this is the coolest thing and I pictured

823
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:23,700
myself sort of you know dressed as Fox

824
00:41:28,670 --> 00:41:26,400
Mulder in my Toyota Camry ripping down

825
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:28,680
some highway chasing some flying saucer

826
00:41:35,210 --> 00:41:31,650
and obviously that that never happened

827
00:41:38,450 --> 00:41:35,220
it's it's it's it is you know what the

828
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:38,460
way the best way to describe you UFO

829
00:41:42,740 --> 00:41:40,410
sort of field investigation is it's very

830
00:41:44,810 --> 00:41:42,750
tedious you deal with these sighting

831
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:44,820
reports and then you have to collect a

832
00:41:49,250 --> 00:41:46,650
whole bunch of data from from the

833
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:49,260
witnesses from you know direction to

834
00:41:55,070 --> 00:41:52,530
altitude to apparent size to where they

835
00:41:56,420 --> 00:41:55,080
were you need to have like coordinates

836
00:41:58,370 --> 00:41:56,430
lunch gene latitude and you basically

837
00:42:02,690 --> 00:41:58,380
kind of need to reap piece this picture

838
00:42:05,130 --> 00:42:02,700
together and then you look at like you

839
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,140
know flight data you look at

840
00:42:08,370 --> 00:42:07,119
star charts where Venus was where the

841
00:42:10,259 --> 00:42:08,380
International Space Station was like it

842
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:10,269
would literally take tons and tons of

843
00:42:13,799 --> 00:42:12,160
hours to figure out that what they saw

844
00:42:14,569 --> 00:42:13,809
was sort of you know something very

845
00:42:18,690 --> 00:42:14,579
prosaic

846
00:42:21,390 --> 00:42:18,700
but what I loved about it wasn't so much

847
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:21,400
the the investigation and and doing all

848
00:42:24,779 --> 00:42:22,510
that work what I loved about it was

849
00:42:28,109 --> 00:42:24,789
meeting the people and and interviewing

850
00:42:31,019 --> 00:42:28,119
them and speaking to them because UFO

851
00:42:32,670 --> 00:42:31,029
witnesses are incredibly interesting

852
00:42:35,789 --> 00:42:32,680
people and they come from all different

853
00:42:37,890 --> 00:42:35,799
walks of life and they're they're all

854
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:37,900
sort of drawn together by this

855
00:42:41,849 --> 00:42:40,569
phenomenon whatever it is and and so

856
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:41,859
they're incredibly unique and wonderful

857
00:42:47,759 --> 00:42:45,010
and so I loved I loved talking with them

858
00:42:49,380 --> 00:42:47,769
and meeting with them and and that sort

859
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:49,390
of again what would kind of led me down

860
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:52,690
this path to write a book about them now

861
00:42:58,319 --> 00:42:54,880
as you started to get into the UFO

862
00:43:00,660 --> 00:42:58,329
community and where you are today

863
00:43:06,329 --> 00:43:00,670
certainly you wrote this book and and

864
00:43:09,809 --> 00:43:06,339
your blog definitely comments about the

865
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:09,819
State of the Union when it comes to our

866
00:43:15,630 --> 00:43:11,890
UFO community today that's all well

867
00:43:17,970 --> 00:43:15,640
written but did you have what was your

868
00:43:20,430 --> 00:43:17,980
what was your thought of what was your

869
00:43:25,289 --> 00:43:20,440
perception of what the UFO community was

870
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:25,299
going to be versus what you have learned

871
00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:28,089
today you know what did you think going

872
00:43:34,759 --> 00:43:32,049
in versus where you are now Wow yeah

873
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:34,769
that's such a good question I think I

874
00:43:41,249 --> 00:43:40,000
started off with the idea that you know

875
00:43:43,319 --> 00:43:41,259
I think I began we're kind of most

876
00:43:45,749 --> 00:43:43,329
people begin I think I began with this

877
00:43:50,940 --> 00:43:45,759
this idea that the entire UFO community

878
00:43:52,890 --> 00:43:50,950
was crazy and and then you know as I it

879
00:43:54,329 --> 00:43:52,900
took me you know four years of research

880
00:43:56,910 --> 00:43:54,339
and probably two years of writing to do

881
00:43:59,249 --> 00:43:56,920
this book but within that time you know

882
00:44:01,499 --> 00:43:59,259
I realized that in fact there's nothing

883
00:44:03,839 --> 00:44:01,509
crazy at all about them

884
00:44:07,259 --> 00:44:03,849
you know sure there's sort of kooky

885
00:44:08,910 --> 00:44:07,269
people but generally you know the vast

886
00:44:11,819 --> 00:44:08,920
majority of the vehicle community is

887
00:44:13,890 --> 00:44:11,829
incredibly stable incredibly sane and

888
00:44:15,660 --> 00:44:13,900
they've just experienced something that

889
00:44:18,299 --> 00:44:15,670
they can't explain or they're people

890
00:44:21,029 --> 00:44:18,309
like me who pursue something that's

891
00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:21,039
explainable and nobody has any idea why

892
00:44:26,370 --> 00:44:23,049
so it's definitely changed it's

893
00:44:29,099 --> 00:44:26,380
definitely kind of gone from from I had

894
00:44:31,380 --> 00:44:29,109
a lot of preconceived biases and

895
00:44:33,059 --> 00:44:31,390
preconceived ideas that obviously

896
00:44:34,349 --> 00:44:33,069
changed the more digging I did and the

897
00:44:38,549 --> 00:44:34,359
more research I did and the more people

898
00:44:40,650 --> 00:44:38,559
I met in this community so I don't

899
00:44:42,539 --> 00:44:40,660
really have like a better answer than

900
00:44:44,910 --> 00:44:42,549
that because I think my my ideas are

901
00:44:46,489 --> 00:44:44,920
still changing even today and they

902
00:44:50,910 --> 00:44:46,499
probably will change within five years

903
00:44:54,059 --> 00:44:50,920
what what but I think most people find

904
00:44:57,479 --> 00:44:54,069
out about the UFO community is that it's

905
00:45:02,729 --> 00:44:57,489
a cross-section of us just in general

906
00:45:05,429 --> 00:45:02,739
and you can sit and talk about food or

907
00:45:08,279 --> 00:45:05,439
sports or politics or religion or

908
00:45:11,900 --> 00:45:08,289
families and kids and have the

909
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:11,910
absolutely most normal conversation

910
00:45:19,439 --> 00:45:15,609
possible right and then you find out and

911
00:45:21,359 --> 00:45:19,449
let it swing into abductions or the UFO

912
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:21,369
phenomenon and then you find out how

913
00:45:25,979 --> 00:45:24,400
passionate these the very very same

914
00:45:28,410 --> 00:45:25,989
people that you would think it like

915
00:45:31,499 --> 00:45:28,420
you're saying are just normal right it

916
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:31,509
completely sane but they are this is a

917
00:45:36,929 --> 00:45:33,599
very personal thing for them isn't it

918
00:45:38,849 --> 00:45:36,939
yes and this conversation with Mark

919
00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:38,859
O'Connell who wrote the book Close

920
00:45:45,539 --> 00:45:42,900
Encounters man we were talking about how

921
00:45:48,660 --> 00:45:45,549
there's this massive sort of silent

922
00:45:50,219 --> 00:45:48,670
majority that don't ever talk about the

923
00:45:52,469 --> 00:45:50,229
things they've seen or the things that

924
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:52,479
have happened to them and and I will

925
00:45:56,969 --> 00:45:54,400
often be in social situations I'll be at

926
00:45:59,160 --> 00:45:56,979
parties whatever where you know my wife

927
00:46:00,299 --> 00:45:59,170
will you know will be and this will be

928
00:46:01,650 --> 00:46:00,309
in this party and my wife will sort of

929
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:01,660
start telling people that I wrote a book

930
00:46:04,529 --> 00:46:03,249
and they started you know very curious

931
00:46:06,479 --> 00:46:04,539
unless your book about no it's about

932
00:46:08,489 --> 00:46:06,489
UFOs and suddenly you know people look

933
00:46:11,459 --> 00:46:08,499
at you funny but then by the end of the

934
00:46:13,289 --> 00:46:11,469
party you've had maybe 80% of the people

935
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:13,299
speak to you one on one telling you

936
00:46:16,439 --> 00:46:15,130
their story or telling you you know this

937
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:16,449
happened to my mom or this happened to

938
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:18,130
my dad or this what my grandfather were

939
00:46:22,049 --> 00:46:20,079
this had my sister and suddenly you

940
00:46:23,669 --> 00:46:22,059
realize that all those people who kind

941
00:46:25,140 --> 00:46:23,679
of when they were in the group kind of

942
00:46:27,059 --> 00:46:25,150
thought you are odd or thought you were

943
00:46:28,919 --> 00:46:27,069
strange or whatever you suddenly realize

944
00:46:30,959 --> 00:46:28,929
that the vast majority them have stories

945
00:46:32,489 --> 00:46:30,969
to tell that are youthful logical in

946
00:46:34,319 --> 00:46:32,499
nature or at least paranormal in nature

947
00:46:36,109 --> 00:46:34,329
and then all of a sudden you're getting

948
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:36,119
their emails and they want to talk more

949
00:46:40,380 --> 00:46:38,170
so I think that there's this large

950
00:46:42,359 --> 00:46:40,390
number of people who aren't in the UFO

951
00:46:43,650 --> 00:46:42,369
community but really ought to be and I

952
00:46:44,249 --> 00:46:43,660
think it's a massive chunk of the

953
00:46:46,859 --> 00:46:44,259
population

954
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,869
I think the ovo enigma whatever it is is

955
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:48,400
incredibly pervasive I think it's

956
00:46:53,039 --> 00:46:50,319
everywhere and it affects a lot of

957
00:46:54,989 --> 00:46:53,049
people it just nobody talks about it and

958
00:46:57,449 --> 00:46:54,999
you know like you say right it's sort of

959
00:46:59,489 --> 00:46:57,459
this cross-section of the mainstream

960
00:47:02,880 --> 00:46:59,499
population i'm elora sort of the

961
00:47:05,699 --> 00:47:02,890
quote-unquote normal population it spans

962
00:47:08,370 --> 00:47:05,709
the gap of sort of extreme kookiness to

963
00:47:11,069 --> 00:47:08,380
just like the most normal vanilla guy

964
00:47:14,549 --> 00:47:11,079
you've ever met in your life now you the

965
00:47:18,349 --> 00:47:14,559
book and it's it's interesting how you

966
00:47:22,410 --> 00:47:18,359
took the approach to this the book is

967
00:47:24,739 --> 00:47:22,420
centered around and I like the way that

968
00:47:28,949 --> 00:47:24,749
you wove it because it's not complete

969
00:47:32,969 --> 00:47:28,959
completely about Amy but it is around

970
00:47:35,249 --> 00:47:32,979
you know who she is as an example of

971
00:47:40,370 --> 00:47:35,259
someone in the UFO community that you

972
00:47:44,910 --> 00:47:40,380
would not expect to be an experiencer

973
00:47:47,039 --> 00:47:44,920
like this and and you talk about how you

974
00:47:50,969 --> 00:47:47,049
met Amy which we're going to do now and

975
00:47:54,059 --> 00:47:50,979
then how this book developed around her

976
00:47:55,769 --> 00:47:54,069
and and her experiences would turn which

977
00:47:57,599 --> 00:47:55,779
turn out to be some of the most profound

978
00:47:59,189 --> 00:47:57,609
and we were talking about that earlier

979
00:48:02,130 --> 00:47:59,199
today some of the most profound

980
00:48:04,019 --> 00:48:02,140
experiences one person could have but

981
00:48:09,029 --> 00:48:04,029
you didn't expect anything

982
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:09,039
tell us about Amy yeah Amy Amy I met Amy

983
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:11,529
through a MUFON case report but we

984
00:48:19,620 --> 00:48:15,599
quickly sort of became fast friends when

985
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:19,630
when I realized that she was having

986
00:48:29,219 --> 00:48:22,569
multiple UFO sightings over her property

987
00:48:30,779 --> 00:48:29,229
and she she didn't approach it from she

988
00:48:33,329 --> 00:48:30,789
didn't approach it as someone who who is

989
00:48:34,709 --> 00:48:33,339
well versed in in UFO war right she sort

990
00:48:38,430 --> 00:48:34,719
of said I'm seeing these things I have

991
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:38,440
no idea what they are and and and that's

992
00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:39,729
it like I don't know what else to tell

993
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:42,510
you and

994
00:48:47,340 --> 00:48:45,610
she's married she lives on a farm

995
00:48:50,010 --> 00:48:47,350
yes oh sure okay yeah so she lives on a

996
00:48:53,010 --> 00:48:50,020
farm she's married she was a former

997
00:48:55,950 --> 00:48:53,020
flight attendant so she's well versed

998
00:48:58,260 --> 00:48:55,960
with the aircraft and she's just you

999
00:48:58,860 --> 00:48:58,270
know that just the nicest person you'll

1000
00:49:01,170 --> 00:48:58,870
ever meet

1001
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:01,180
and her husband is incredibly kind as

1002
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:02,800
well he's the kind of guy who would give

1003
00:49:06,780 --> 00:49:05,440
you the shirt off his back even if he

1004
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:06,790
didn't ask for it and and and they're

1005
00:49:11,070 --> 00:49:09,610
both quite skeptical and and he's the

1006
00:49:13,230 --> 00:49:11,080
kind of guy who and you know he would

1007
00:49:15,330 --> 00:49:13,240
probably laugh off UFOs but you know the

1008
00:49:16,830 --> 00:49:15,340
ami saw one there for you know like they

1009
00:49:19,410 --> 00:49:16,840
damn well exist now because she you know

1010
00:49:21,210 --> 00:49:19,420
she says so so so it was the strange

1011
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:21,220
moment where you had these sort of this

1012
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:24,640
couple really wanting you to help them

1013
00:49:28,620 --> 00:49:26,050
and but they knew you couldn't and

1014
00:49:30,090 --> 00:49:28,630
everyone knows you can't but I started

1015
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:30,100
to sort of collect their stories and

1016
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:32,170
she's had multiple UFO sightings she's

1017
00:49:37,830 --> 00:49:35,920
seen about six or seven now I talk about

1018
00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:37,840
four or five in the book because that's

1019
00:49:42,330 --> 00:49:39,250
kind of where the number ended when the

1020
00:49:44,970 --> 00:49:42,340
book was published as well as sort of

1021
00:49:47,550 --> 00:49:44,980
the effects of these sightings on her so

1022
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:47,560
so not only did she sort of witnessed

1023
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:49,210
these craft not only is she sort of

1024
00:49:53,490 --> 00:49:51,520
potentially missing some time somewhere

1025
00:49:55,820 --> 00:49:53,500
in there but she's also had other sort

1026
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:55,830
of paranormal experiences as a result

1027
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:58,210
just like we sort of hear about in in

1028
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:00,160
the youthful logical mythology you know

1029
00:50:04,890 --> 00:50:02,650
there is now some heightened sense of

1030
00:50:07,740 --> 00:50:04,900
awareness potentially some ability

1031
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:07,750
higher intuition potentially some

1032
00:50:12,980 --> 00:50:09,850
precognitive abilities sort of having

1033
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:12,990
most prophetic like dreams in her sleep

1034
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:15,970
as well as sightings or sort of

1035
00:50:20,340 --> 00:50:18,400
communication with and what we would

1036
00:50:22,980 --> 00:50:20,350
sort of say the spirits of the Dead

1037
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:22,990
let's say and so so she sort of had

1038
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:24,880
these this initial sighting and then as

1039
00:50:31,380 --> 00:50:27,610
a result a whole bunch of other stuff

1040
00:50:34,590 --> 00:50:31,390
changed in her and and drew out of her

1041
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,600
some sort of strange I don't know I

1042
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:36,400
don't use the term ability but some sort

1043
00:50:41,250 --> 00:50:39,970
of strange okay ability is the only word

1044
00:50:43,260 --> 00:50:41,260
I can think of at this moment right

1045
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:43,270
we're yeah yeah it's the right word to

1046
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:45,610
use right yeah right she felt like she

1047
00:50:52,110 --> 00:50:49,690
was a magnet and but there's one other

1048
00:50:54,060 --> 00:50:52,120
aspect to this that needs to be

1049
00:50:55,779 --> 00:50:54,070
mentioned which is exactly what the book

1050
00:50:58,599 --> 00:50:55,789
title is about

1051
00:51:00,490 --> 00:50:58,609
her husband's an engineer right they're

1052
00:51:03,069 --> 00:51:00,500
successful they've got a nice place

1053
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:03,079
they've got you know they're part of the

1054
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:08,079
community and you you don't want to be

1055
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:11,839
necessarily known as the UFO people in

1056
00:51:17,289 --> 00:51:14,569
the neighborhood but if you know what I

1057
00:51:20,260 --> 00:51:17,299
mean but it's also for our community

1058
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:20,270
it's refreshing to know that you know a

1059
00:51:25,779 --> 00:51:23,450
couple like this is is having these

1060
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:25,789
experiences and they're trying to figure

1061
00:51:31,930 --> 00:51:29,599
out what is going on he is supporting

1062
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:31,940
his wife right he's an engineer he's

1063
00:51:37,390 --> 00:51:34,730
successful right but but they've got

1064
00:51:40,450 --> 00:51:37,400
this enigma in their lives that they're

1065
00:51:42,250 --> 00:51:40,460
trying to figure out and that is a it's

1066
00:51:44,769 --> 00:51:42,260
such an interesting thing when it comes

1067
00:51:48,010 --> 00:51:44,779
to Amy and her husband because her

1068
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:48,020
experiences are insane they are and end

1069
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:50,450
this is sort of what the book sort of

1070
00:51:55,329 --> 00:51:52,720
hinges on a lot is is you have

1071
00:51:56,799 --> 00:51:55,339
individuals who kind of live in two

1072
00:51:59,230 --> 00:51:56,809
worlds right they have their sort of

1073
00:52:00,700 --> 00:51:59,240
regular everyday life they go to

1074
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:00,710
Starbucks or whatever they pick you know

1075
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:02,329
drive their kids to dance class they

1076
00:52:07,150 --> 00:52:04,010
have their jobs they go to work whatever

1077
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and then and then on the other side they

1078
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have these strange experiences right

1079
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these paranormal experiences these

1080
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anomalous experiences that make no sense

1081
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and sort of almost act and direct like a

1082
00:52:22,779 --> 00:52:19,309
contradiction to their their daily life

1083
00:52:24,609 --> 00:52:22,789
so so they exist in this sort of - they

1084
00:52:26,620 --> 00:52:24,619
live in these two worlds right there

1085
00:52:28,539 --> 00:52:26,630
they still need to function in their

1086
00:52:30,220 --> 00:52:28,549
regular everyday life you know he still

1087
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needs to go to work she still needs to

1088
00:52:34,900 --> 00:52:31,819
kind of do her thing and go to work and

1089
00:52:37,870 --> 00:52:34,910
and and live in her community but she's

1090
00:52:40,269 --> 00:52:37,880
also someone who who faced who has come

1091
00:52:42,130 --> 00:52:40,279
face to face multiple times with with

1092
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things that should not exist or things

1093
00:52:45,549 --> 00:52:43,819
that ought not to exist according to

1094
00:52:48,730 --> 00:52:45,559
mainstream culture or according to daily

1095
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:48,740
life so they sort of exist in this dual

1096
00:52:55,180 --> 00:52:51,529
realm right this this sort of the this

1097
00:52:56,799 --> 00:52:55,190
mythological yet real existence if it's

1098
00:53:00,339 --> 00:52:56,809
that's sort of what the book sort of

1099
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:00,349
tries to extrapolate on I suppose now

1100
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:01,970
we're gonna head towards a break right

1101
00:53:06,370 --> 00:53:03,770
here I'm gonna ask you to direct

1102
00:53:08,410 --> 00:53:06,380
questions that you can answer quickly

1103
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:08,420
she starts off

1104
00:53:12,310 --> 00:53:10,370
she writes a segment in the book and she

1105
00:53:15,580 --> 00:53:12,320
starts off with the very simple sentence

1106
00:53:19,830 --> 00:53:15,590
I believe UFOs are real or I believe in

1107
00:53:23,230 --> 00:53:19,840
UFOs right do do you MJ

1108
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:23,240
do I believe that people cease no no do

1109
00:53:29,500 --> 00:53:27,050
you believe that UFOs are real yes I do

1110
00:53:32,350 --> 00:53:29,510
okay next question

1111
00:53:36,340 --> 00:53:32,360
the because there's a method to my

1112
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:36,350
madness MJ okay so and she says

1113
00:53:40,570 --> 00:53:38,330
something else she's got a lot of

1114
00:53:46,540 --> 00:53:40,580
evidence and and photographs have you

1115
00:53:48,670 --> 00:53:46,550
seen those I have and oh I'm I state in

1116
00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:48,680
the book kind of the photographs contain

1117
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:51,110
nothing that is usable that would sort

1118
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:55,010
of provide there it literally dots in

1119
00:54:00,160 --> 00:53:57,890
the sky in a giant blue sky I wish it

1120
00:54:02,260 --> 00:54:00,170
was something more I've tried zooming in

1121
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:02,270
I've tried every single photo technique

1122
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:04,130
to try and pull data out of those things

1123
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:06,130
but unfortunately the photos are just

1124
00:54:15,460 --> 00:54:10,010
too mundane yeah because she she tells

1125
00:54:19,690 --> 00:54:15,470
this story about this sighting and she's

1126
00:54:22,270 --> 00:54:19,700
taking on her phone to to take pictures

1127
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:22,280
and this craft is like getting ready to

1128
00:54:28,750 --> 00:54:25,130
knock her over right it's like right

1129
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:28,760
there and and and it's a saucer and

1130
00:54:32,620 --> 00:54:30,530
she's looking at the bottom of it and

1131
00:54:35,260 --> 00:54:32,630
it's coming right over and she's

1132
00:54:37,210 --> 00:54:35,270
snapping pictures it flies away and then

1133
00:54:39,550 --> 00:54:37,220
there was a missing time element there

1134
00:54:41,710 --> 00:54:39,560
because she went back and looked at her

1135
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:41,720
pictures on the phone she thought it

1136
00:54:46,510 --> 00:54:44,720
happened when 11 in the in the morning

1137
00:54:48,460 --> 00:54:46,520
right something like that

1138
00:54:50,590 --> 00:54:48,470
but the timestamps on the photograph

1139
00:54:55,110 --> 00:54:50,600
said what it was like 5:00 p.m. I

1140
00:54:58,720 --> 00:54:55,120
believe it was in the early evening and

1141
00:55:01,450 --> 00:54:58,730
so did you see that sequence of pictures

1142
00:55:03,220 --> 00:55:01,460
that she attempted to take I have seen

1143
00:55:05,230 --> 00:55:03,230
every single picture she's taken in

1144
00:55:07,570 --> 00:55:05,240
regards to UFOs and unfortunately there

1145
00:55:10,300 --> 00:55:07,580
is just there's nothing in them that

1146
00:55:11,980 --> 00:55:10,310
that is useful or or that I could sort

1147
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:11,990
of point to as being evidence of

1148
00:55:16,180 --> 00:55:14,810
something strange or anomalous now when

1149
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:16,190
we come back after the break we're gonna

1150
00:55:20,170 --> 00:55:17,690
talk about this a little bit further

1151
00:55:21,019 --> 00:55:20,180
because it was an extraordinary event

1152
00:55:23,029 --> 00:55:21,029
and when you

1153
00:55:25,130 --> 00:55:23,039
read it in the book it's it's like the

1154
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most insane page-turner that you could

1155
00:55:30,349 --> 00:55:28,499
possibly read right but when you go back

1156
00:55:33,079 --> 00:55:30,359
and you look at the photographs and you

1157
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:33,089
listen to her account recounting this

1158
00:55:39,769 --> 00:55:36,089
story they don't line up and for you

1159
00:55:41,479 --> 00:55:39,779
what do you do with that well as a

1160
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youthful investigator or as someone

1161
00:55:46,849 --> 00:55:42,839
who's an investigator you simply have to

1162
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say listen I can't explain it but you

1163
00:55:51,499 --> 00:55:49,859
also have to sit on that line of because

1164
00:55:54,259 --> 00:55:51,509
I don't have evidence I can't

1165
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:54,269
necessarily say it's alien or

1166
00:55:58,219 --> 00:55:56,729
interdimensional or whatever right you

1167
00:56:01,009 --> 00:55:58,229
have to kind of draw you have to live in

1168
00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:01,019
this I don't know what it is yeah and

1169
00:56:06,620 --> 00:56:04,169
you're forced into you can't you can't

1170
00:56:09,140 --> 00:56:06,630
prove that it happened and you can't

1171
00:56:11,509 --> 00:56:09,150
prove that it didn't didn't exactly yeah

1172
00:56:13,399 --> 00:56:11,519
yeah it's a pretty interesting situation

1173
00:56:15,019 --> 00:56:13,409
to be because also you have a

1174
00:56:18,169 --> 00:56:15,029
relationship with her and her husband

1175
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now and and and you have to take all of

1176
00:56:21,739 --> 00:56:19,769
that into account too as well

1177
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:21,749
fascinating stuff it's a great read

1178
00:56:25,939 --> 00:56:23,729
let's take a break right here our guest

1179
00:56:29,630 --> 00:56:25,949
tonight MJ bond is his new book is

1180
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called the UFO people I'm going to take

1181
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a quick break here we'll pick up where

1182
00:56:34,729 --> 00:56:32,849
we left off we're talking about Amy

1183
00:56:36,859 --> 00:56:34,739
and then we're gonna go deep there's a

1184
00:56:39,049 --> 00:56:36,869
lot of stuff here it's gonna be

1185
00:56:41,569 --> 00:56:39,059
impossible to get it all in tonight but

1186
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:41,579
the links for the book are up in Twitter

1187
00:56:44,749 --> 00:56:43,650
fade to black I'm your host Jimmy Church

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we'll be right back after this short

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break stay with us

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welcome back fade to black I'm going to

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my church follow me on twitter @ JT

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radio you can follow MJ at MJ benaiah on

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Twitter very simple we're talking about

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his new book it is called the UFO people

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now before the break MJ we the central

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figure the way that you set up the book

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in a very smart way is is Amy and Amy

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represents just about everybody that I

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know every experiencer and in that it's

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not just about UFOs it's not for her and

1323
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let's discuss that for a second but the

1324
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the unbelievable event where she is

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snapping these pictures wow I want to

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discuss that because it's what happens

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after that and then the event at the

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neighbor's house right after that and

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when we tell when you tell about Amy's

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experiences I can't tell you how many

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people in this audience are gonna go yep

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happened to me right happened to me and

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it's it's a very strong example of what

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people go through and and Amy's story is

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incredible so take us to that moment

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where she's you know sees this this it's

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a saucer by the way there's no other way

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to describe it as that she sees in her

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backyard and she goes out what happens

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sure so she's she's going out to feed

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the cats that sort of live in her barn

1342
01:04:12,270 --> 01:04:10,930
she was in a farm so the these large

1343
01:04:13,980 --> 01:04:12,280
barns and there's multiple capture live

1344
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:13,990
another than the bunny and so she's on

1345
01:04:17,700 --> 01:04:15,609
their way to feed them and as she's

1346
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:17,710
heading towards the barn in what she

1347
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:20,319
thought to be was the morning she looks

1348
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:24,970
up into the sky and and sees this let

1349
01:04:30,990 --> 01:04:27,250
you say a large sort of saucer like

1350
01:04:35,010 --> 01:04:31,000
craft sort of hovering and moving slowly

1351
01:04:37,980 --> 01:04:35,020
over her over her basically and and she

1352
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:37,990
looks up and and obviously has this sort

1353
01:04:41,860 --> 01:04:40,250
of crushing feeling right as

1354
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:41,870
this thing's gonna just come down and

1355
01:04:47,650 --> 01:04:44,210
squash her right this feeling like she's

1356
01:04:50,740 --> 01:04:47,660
being watched this feeling like it's

1357
01:04:52,900 --> 01:04:50,750
this great anxiety of like they know who

1358
01:04:55,330 --> 01:04:52,910
I am almost like she's prey and and and

1359
01:04:58,060 --> 01:04:55,340
this thing's the predator and it's it

1360
01:05:00,550 --> 01:04:58,070
sort of has her cornered and and the

1361
01:05:01,690 --> 01:05:00,560
only thing she sort of does is is is she

1362
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:01,700
literally ducks like she literally

1363
01:05:07,030 --> 01:05:04,610
crouches down and and ducks hoping that

1364
01:05:10,540 --> 01:05:07,040
this thing doesn't land on her head and

1365
01:05:13,270 --> 01:05:10,550
and who moments go by and then I guess

1366
01:05:14,830 --> 01:05:13,280
her brain turns back on and she says I

1367
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:14,840
should try and take a photo of this and

1368
01:05:20,980 --> 01:05:17,450
she pulls out her phone to start

1369
01:05:23,230 --> 01:05:20,990
snapping photos and according to her she

1370
01:05:25,870 --> 01:05:23,240
thinks she has some great shots clearly

1371
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:25,880
of some massive you know saucer like

1372
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:28,880
object and the thing kind of sort of

1373
01:05:35,410 --> 01:05:32,050
goes up into the sky and then takes off

1374
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:35,420
away from her but when she looks at the

1375
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:37,970
photographs you know one there's nothing

1376
01:05:43,030 --> 01:05:40,250
really in them apart from a tiny little

1377
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:43,040
black dot that is that is sort of almost

1378
01:05:48,340 --> 01:05:44,570
like you can probably see it in the

1379
01:05:50,230 --> 01:05:48,350
picture and a timestamp that no longer

1380
01:05:51,460 --> 01:05:50,240
makes sense right and she feeds her cats

1381
01:05:54,790 --> 01:05:51,470
in the morning

1382
01:05:58,630 --> 01:05:54,800
so why would those pictures be taken at

1383
01:06:02,200 --> 01:05:58,640
5:00 in the afternoon she let's let's

1384
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:02,210
back up a little bit here because she

1385
01:06:06,790 --> 01:06:03,770
gives one of the most incredible

1386
01:06:07,900 --> 01:06:06,800
descriptions of this craft in vivid

1387
01:06:10,750 --> 01:06:07,910
detail

1388
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:10,760
she says that the bottom of the craft is

1389
01:06:16,300 --> 01:06:12,290
perfectly in focus

1390
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:16,310
it's a saucer it's silver and then the

1391
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:19,730
top half of the craft is a little

1392
01:06:27,730 --> 01:06:24,890
fuzzier with a clear dome and the most

1393
01:06:30,850 --> 01:06:27,740
fascinating part she says things moving

1394
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:30,860
around inside of it like a like how did

1395
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:33,050
she describe it like a lightning storm a

1396
01:06:38,890 --> 01:06:36,530
multicolored yeah almost like I think

1397
01:06:40,030 --> 01:06:38,900
the best way to describe it is is when

1398
01:06:42,010 --> 01:06:40,040
you were a kid you know those those

1399
01:06:43,540 --> 01:06:42,020
bottles round balls that had that sort

1400
01:06:45,550 --> 01:06:43,550
of electrode right in the middle and it

1401
01:06:47,530 --> 01:06:45,560
would sort of Arc all over the place and

1402
01:06:49,309 --> 01:06:47,540
sort of multiple colors I mean you put

1403
01:06:50,509 --> 01:06:49,319
your hand on it right and then like

1404
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:50,519
or quit either Kenilworth they're called

1405
01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:52,890
but it was like this sort of Yelich like

1406
01:06:57,949 --> 01:06:55,920
a lightning storm of purple and red and

1407
01:07:02,479 --> 01:06:57,959
blue and greens with happening inside

1408
01:07:05,630 --> 01:07:02,489
the craft but you know she got a very

1409
01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:05,640
brief look at the top so you know I

1410
01:07:11,930 --> 01:07:08,880
think her her description is is amazing

1411
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:11,940
she's she's she's a published writer so

1412
01:07:17,839 --> 01:07:13,890
so she sort of has it's definitely the

1413
01:07:20,959 --> 01:07:17,849
gift of gab in that sense but the what I

1414
01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:20,969
think is more more interesting is is

1415
01:07:26,900 --> 01:07:24,089
that this thing sort of revisits her

1416
01:07:29,180 --> 01:07:26,910
multiple times throughout her sort of

1417
01:07:31,969 --> 01:07:29,190
short period dealing with this so far

1418
01:07:33,769 --> 01:07:31,979
within a few years um but it also

1419
01:07:36,469 --> 01:07:33,779
doesn't always look the same right she's

1420
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:36,479
she's seen multiple objects in the sky

1421
01:07:40,849 --> 01:07:38,400
and every time there's something

1422
01:07:44,420 --> 01:07:40,859
different one of her initial sightings

1423
01:07:47,509 --> 01:07:44,430
was a most like a almost like a cigar

1424
01:07:52,099 --> 01:07:47,519
shaped craft except it was vertical with

1425
01:07:55,759 --> 01:07:52,109
sort of these jutting out sort of

1426
01:07:57,949 --> 01:07:55,769
crystal like you know orbs and shards

1427
01:08:00,759 --> 01:07:57,959
and it was almost like a hotel was

1428
01:08:03,469 --> 01:08:00,769
parked in front of her window in size

1429
01:08:05,299 --> 01:08:03,479
and it and it was just this tall sort of

1430
01:08:07,519 --> 01:08:05,309
building like cigar like structure

1431
01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:07,529
heading straight up so whatever is

1432
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:09,119
happening she's having multiple

1433
01:08:13,339 --> 01:08:10,890
different experiences and multiple

1434
01:08:15,049 --> 01:08:13,349
different I guess visions or

1435
01:08:18,260 --> 01:08:15,059
interpretations of what this this

1436
01:08:23,450 --> 01:08:18,270
phenomena is now it's gotten to the

1437
01:08:25,459 --> 01:08:23,460
point where she says that every day you

1438
01:08:27,939 --> 01:08:25,469
know she wakes up and every day you know

1439
01:08:31,519 --> 01:08:27,949
every night she's looking out the window

1440
01:08:33,890 --> 01:08:31,529
expecting to see something yeah and and

1441
01:08:35,689 --> 01:08:33,900
to this day she still sees them every

1442
01:08:38,269 --> 01:08:35,699
once in a while I she'll send me an

1443
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:38,279
email you know maybe once every week or

1444
01:08:42,530 --> 01:08:39,810
two saying you know this happened or I

1445
01:08:44,899 --> 01:08:42,540
saw this or I had this weird feeling so

1446
01:08:46,370 --> 01:08:44,909
so clearly you know as I sort of

1447
01:08:48,079 --> 01:08:46,380
explained in the book she's definitely

1448
01:08:51,700 --> 01:08:48,089
being haunted by something right it's

1449
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:51,710
it's it's for some reason pursuing her

1450
01:08:57,919 --> 01:08:55,440
and and and you know obviously we don't

1451
01:09:00,589 --> 01:08:57,929
know why that is now that is really the

1452
01:09:02,809 --> 01:09:00,599
big question of the UFO phenomenon well

1453
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:02,819
I mean then let's go straight to it

1454
01:09:06,820 --> 01:09:03,290
there's

1455
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:06,830
the the the next the next part of the

1456
01:09:16,030 --> 01:09:10,010
book which is called a woman on the

1457
01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:16,040
porch so so Amy is out walking her dogs

1458
01:09:22,270 --> 01:09:19,120
and I'll let you pick it up from there

1459
01:09:24,579 --> 01:09:22,280
yeah so she's actually going to feed the

1460
01:09:26,770 --> 01:09:24,589
dogs at her neighbor's house so her name

1461
01:09:31,150 --> 01:09:26,780
is okay right right on yeah neighbors

1462
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:31,160
away on on a trip and you know she asked

1463
01:09:36,039 --> 01:09:33,410
Amy to to take care of the dogs let them

1464
01:09:38,140 --> 01:09:36,049
out go for a run and and and get food or

1465
01:09:39,970 --> 01:09:38,150
so she's she's heading to her neighbor's

1466
01:09:41,230 --> 01:09:39,980
house and and the walk is is not very

1467
01:09:44,770 --> 01:09:41,240
long ahead with five or eight minutes

1468
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:44,780
she states to the next house and and as

1469
01:09:48,730 --> 01:09:46,850
she gets onto the driveway it's quite

1470
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:48,740
long like the driveway walk alone is a

1471
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:52,010
minute and and she sort of as she's

1472
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:54,410
walking down this driveway the the

1473
01:09:59,950 --> 01:09:57,290
minute long walk she realizes has taken

1474
01:10:03,940 --> 01:09:59,960
her a lot longer than normal um she sort

1475
01:10:05,530 --> 01:10:03,950
of gets to the down the driveway and she

1476
01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:05,540
feels as if you know like five or six

1477
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:07,490
minutes has gone by like this like as if

1478
01:10:12,100 --> 01:10:09,650
you know like she's walking but like

1479
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:12,110
she's not making any progress anyway if

1480
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:15,290
she gets to the dogs and as she's

1481
01:10:19,330 --> 01:10:17,090
walking past the front door and the

1482
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:19,340
porch of this this farmhouse there's a

1483
01:10:25,480 --> 01:10:23,210
woman sitting inside the porch you know

1484
01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:25,490
she sort of waves and says hi the woman

1485
01:10:30,910 --> 01:10:27,920
sort of just glares at her I'm you know

1486
01:10:32,530 --> 01:10:30,920
holding her cup of coffee and Amy sort

1487
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:32,540
of thinks well you know it must be you

1488
01:10:37,660 --> 01:10:35,810
know a friend or a neighbor or you know

1489
01:10:39,490 --> 01:10:37,670
the woman's sister or something so she

1490
01:10:41,860 --> 01:10:39,500
sort of ignores her says hi gets no

1491
01:10:43,390 --> 01:10:41,870
response and and lets the dogs out or

1492
01:10:48,580 --> 01:10:43,400
goes to let the dogs out and the dogs

1493
01:10:50,860 --> 01:10:48,590
sort of sit inside the the garage I

1494
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:50,870
think they they don't leave their there

1495
01:10:57,880 --> 01:10:55,730
they almost seem nervous so so she she

1496
01:10:59,260 --> 01:10:57,890
sort of kind of goes in gives them some

1497
01:11:03,690 --> 01:10:59,270
food wonders why they don't want to

1498
01:11:06,460 --> 01:11:03,700
leave heads back to to the porch and

1499
01:11:08,980 --> 01:11:06,470
sort of sees this woman who sort of now

1500
01:11:10,990 --> 01:11:08,990
standing up glaring at her out of out of

1501
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:11,000
one of the sort of screened in sort of

1502
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:15,530
windows and you know eventually this

1503
01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:16,730
woman just sort

1504
01:11:26,090 --> 01:11:22,640
walks through a door back into the house

1505
01:11:27,950 --> 01:11:26,100
so so Amy you know not really thinking

1506
01:11:29,090 --> 01:11:27,960
about it goes back to the dogs and

1507
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:29,100
something the dogs are fine you know

1508
01:11:32,090 --> 01:11:30,570
they get up they start running around

1509
01:11:34,330 --> 01:11:32,100
and she feels really uneasy about this

1510
01:11:36,410 --> 01:11:34,340
so she goes inside the house and

1511
01:11:38,990 --> 01:11:36,420
realizes that the door the woman walked

1512
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:39,000
through was not only bolted shut it it

1513
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:41,760
has like moving boxes that are full

1514
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:43,890
stacked in front of it so there's woman

1515
01:11:49,310 --> 01:11:45,330
in the porch just walk through a door

1516
01:11:51,230 --> 01:11:49,320
that is totally unable to open

1517
01:11:53,930 --> 01:11:51,240
yeah it's blonde yeah it's totally

1518
01:11:55,010 --> 01:11:53,940
blocked so you know one house is

1519
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:55,020
possible

1520
01:12:00,380 --> 01:11:57,330
and anyway to make a long story short

1521
01:12:04,250 --> 01:12:00,390
and the the neighbor comes home several

1522
01:12:06,140 --> 01:12:04,260
days later and Amy sort of talks about

1523
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:06,150
this woman that was in this porch and

1524
01:12:09,890 --> 01:12:08,010
she sort of described searches glasses

1525
01:12:12,290 --> 01:12:09,900
sort of older looking but not you know

1526
01:12:13,700 --> 01:12:12,300
and not like an old lady but you know in

1527
01:12:17,420 --> 01:12:13,710
her I think mid 60s

1528
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:17,430
you know cup of coffee whatever and you

1529
01:12:22,460 --> 01:12:20,090
know the neighbor finds a photograph of

1530
01:12:24,950 --> 01:12:22,470
someone and says you know was this her

1531
01:12:27,260 --> 01:12:24,960
and and he's like yeah that's that's her

1532
01:12:28,570 --> 01:12:27,270
a hundred percent and the neighbor says

1533
01:12:33,020 --> 01:12:28,580
oh that's that's my mother

1534
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:33,030
she died like two years ago and it was

1535
01:12:37,910 --> 01:12:35,370
quite sudden and it was from from like

1536
01:12:43,130 --> 01:12:37,920
cancer and it came on quite quickly and

1537
01:12:45,290 --> 01:12:43,140
and Amy obviously like you know has this

1538
01:12:48,020 --> 01:12:45,300
emotional moment and the neighbor bursts

1539
01:12:49,850 --> 01:12:48,030
into tears and it's obviously this is a

1540
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:49,860
sort of incredible emotional moment

1541
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:53,520
between them and and I spoke to the

1542
01:12:58,760 --> 01:12:55,650
neighbor and and she was able to confirm

1543
01:13:00,110 --> 01:12:58,770
the story that you know Amy told me this

1544
01:13:02,780 --> 01:13:00,120
and this is sort of how it played out

1545
01:13:04,580 --> 01:13:02,790
and and you know there was no there was

1546
01:13:06,530 --> 01:13:04,590
no contradiction between Amy's story and

1547
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:06,540
the neighbors story when when I when I

1548
01:13:11,450 --> 01:13:08,730
spoke to her it sort of happened as Amy

1549
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:11,460
told me and it was fascinating to sort

1550
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:13,920
of have this sort of pretty

1551
01:13:19,940 --> 01:13:15,840
well-documented sort I guess you could

1552
01:13:24,050 --> 01:13:19,950
call it a ghost story that really blew

1553
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:24,060
my mind at how amazing it was and just

1554
01:13:28,910 --> 01:13:27,330
the the correlation between the UFO

1555
01:13:29,859 --> 01:13:28,920
sightings and how she felt when she saw

1556
01:13:32,020 --> 01:13:29,869
the UFO and how

1557
01:13:34,389 --> 01:13:32,030
felt when she saw this person the the

1558
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:34,399
sort of the weird time discrepancy of

1559
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:36,320
walking down the driveway right that one

1560
01:13:39,819 --> 01:13:38,090
minute walk that ended up being sort of

1561
01:13:41,919 --> 01:13:39,829
six or seven minutes like what was going

1562
01:13:44,020 --> 01:13:41,929
on right during these lost minutes of

1563
01:13:47,379 --> 01:13:44,030
time and and and how that often happens

1564
01:13:49,750 --> 01:13:47,389
within various paranormal sightings and

1565
01:13:52,540 --> 01:13:49,760
paranormal events yeah are these things

1566
01:13:54,819 --> 01:13:52,550
connected and that's the question you

1567
01:13:56,889 --> 01:13:54,829
know right and connected and this is

1568
01:14:02,709 --> 01:13:56,899
this is what it's fascinating with me is

1569
01:14:05,409 --> 01:14:02,719
that you lay out really well with with

1570
01:14:10,359 --> 01:14:05,419
Amy's background and story and then

1571
01:14:12,339 --> 01:14:10,369
jumping into subcultures and is and

1572
01:14:15,429 --> 01:14:12,349
that's that's what the book is based on

1573
01:14:19,719 --> 01:14:15,439
and let's actually discuss what a

1574
01:14:22,899 --> 01:14:19,729
subculture is for you I mean we have the

1575
01:14:24,549 --> 01:14:22,909
Webster's dictionary definition and then

1576
01:14:27,399 --> 01:14:24,559
we have the way that you've laid it out

1577
01:14:30,609 --> 01:14:27,409
here what is the definition for you of a

1578
01:14:32,649 --> 01:14:30,619
subculture sure so when we talk about

1579
01:14:34,989 --> 01:14:32,659
subcultures there's really a few things

1580
01:14:36,759 --> 01:14:34,999
that we really need to have a subculture

1581
01:14:40,029 --> 01:14:36,769
the first thing is that a subculture

1582
01:14:41,889 --> 01:14:40,039
needs to sort of be or needs to deviate

1583
01:14:43,779 --> 01:14:41,899
from what we would sort of say is normal

1584
01:14:47,319 --> 01:14:43,789
or mainstream so a subculture has to

1585
01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:47,329
somehow remove itself from mainstream

1586
01:14:52,540 --> 01:14:49,280
culture in some way so it has to have

1587
01:14:54,969 --> 01:14:52,550
ideas or it has to have belief systems

1588
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:54,979
or value systems that contradict what

1589
01:15:00,009 --> 01:14:57,530
the mainstream or the popular sort of

1590
01:15:03,069 --> 01:15:00,019
accepts the second thing is a subculture

1591
01:15:05,109 --> 01:15:03,079
needs some sort of style or identity so

1592
01:15:07,359 --> 01:15:05,119
when we talk about subcultures decades

1593
01:15:08,739 --> 01:15:07,369
ago the term style is often used so when

1594
01:15:11,679 --> 01:15:08,749
you think about like punk subculture

1595
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:11,689
when you think about you know hit me sub

1596
01:15:15,219 --> 01:15:13,010
the hippie subculture right they had a

1597
01:15:17,739 --> 01:15:15,229
certain style but nowadays the world's

1598
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:17,749
changed so now we use the term identity

1599
01:15:22,959 --> 01:15:20,570
so a subculture will have often a common

1600
01:15:27,310 --> 01:15:22,969
set of beliefs or a common set of jargon

1601
01:15:29,469 --> 01:15:27,320
or or a common set of ideas or

1602
01:15:31,239 --> 01:15:29,479
ideologies that that link them together

1603
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:31,249
so when we think about let's say the UFO

1604
01:15:35,709 --> 01:15:33,530
community for example you know we have a

1605
01:15:37,659 --> 01:15:35,719
set sort of identity it doesn't always

1606
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:37,669
agree but we can always communicate with

1607
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:39,530
each other we know the jargon we know

1608
01:15:42,690 --> 01:15:39,850
the

1609
01:15:45,810 --> 01:15:42,700
go we know what we mean when we say UAP

1610
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:45,820
or UFO we know what we mean when we say

1611
01:15:52,380 --> 01:15:49,090
are you a nuts-and-bolts ET hypothesis

1612
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:52,390
guy or are you a you know a mystical

1613
01:15:56,190 --> 01:15:54,010
interdimensional guy like you know we

1614
01:15:58,200 --> 01:15:56,200
know what all these terms mean so we can

1615
01:16:00,120 --> 01:15:58,210
communicate with each other so when we

1616
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:00,130
talk about subcultures we need sort of

1617
01:16:06,330 --> 01:16:03,370
those two key pieces and this deviance

1618
01:16:09,060 --> 01:16:06,340
and then this this sort of identity and

1619
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:09,070
then that's what forms a subculture why

1620
01:16:17,700 --> 01:16:13,690
do you feel that we here in the UFO

1621
01:16:20,580 --> 01:16:17,710
community don't have structure in our

1622
01:16:24,780 --> 01:16:20,590
subculture and I mean it I mean it like

1623
01:16:27,090 --> 01:16:24,790
this if if you talk about anything out

1624
01:16:31,500 --> 01:16:27,100
there whether it is a professional

1625
01:16:36,060 --> 01:16:31,510
organization or the finance world or

1626
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:36,070
religion or sports or NASCAR the NBA

1627
01:16:41,610 --> 01:16:38,560
right there is a structure there's a

1628
01:16:45,570 --> 01:16:41,620
hierarchy you know what I mean there is

1629
01:16:48,630 --> 01:16:45,580
control not in the UFO community there

1630
01:16:51,630 --> 01:16:48,640
isn't any structure whatsoever is there

1631
01:16:53,730 --> 01:16:51,640
no the the UFO community is like a

1632
01:16:57,690 --> 01:16:53,740
perfect anarchy

1633
01:17:00,540 --> 01:16:57,700
right there is no ivory tower that says

1634
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:00,550
you are a UFO researcher ufologists

1635
01:17:03,750 --> 01:17:02,290
there's there's there's then and then it

1636
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:03,760
kind of remove that right there's no

1637
01:17:09,570 --> 01:17:07,330
body that governs UFO research there's

1638
01:17:12,180 --> 01:17:09,580
no there's no body that sort of says

1639
01:17:14,580 --> 01:17:12,190
this is how it ought to be or how it

1640
01:17:17,010 --> 01:17:14,590
ought to work we live in this perfect

1641
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:17,020
this this is like I said this is perfect

1642
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:21,010
an are key where any idea it sort of can

1643
01:17:26,250 --> 01:17:23,410
be accepted and when you look at you at

1644
01:17:29,910 --> 01:17:26,260
the UFO discourse you have ideas that

1645
01:17:31,470 --> 01:17:29,920
are the strangest wildest thing you've

1646
01:17:33,810 --> 01:17:31,480
ever heard in your life that's like

1647
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:33,820
sounds like total nonsense to some you

1648
01:17:38,580 --> 01:17:35,650
know incredibly sane well-thought-out

1649
01:17:43,710 --> 01:17:38,590
well-reasoned you know logic and and and

1650
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:43,720
data so you have this vast array and you

1651
01:17:48,270 --> 01:17:46,690
know the UFO the UFO enigma itself seems

1652
01:17:50,250 --> 01:17:48,280
to kind of be like that as well right I

1653
01:17:51,319 --> 01:17:50,260
think the UFO community really mimics

1654
01:17:57,049 --> 01:17:51,329
the

1655
01:17:59,719 --> 01:17:57,059
incredibly insane experiences that we

1656
01:18:03,589 --> 01:17:59,729
often refer to as high strangeness that

1657
01:18:06,679 --> 01:18:03,599
are totally wild and then you have you

1658
01:18:08,509 --> 01:18:06,689
know relatively sort of I want to see

1659
01:18:10,339 --> 01:18:08,519
prosaic but relatively sort of standard

1660
01:18:13,250 --> 01:18:10,349
you know lights in the sky or seeing

1661
01:18:14,509 --> 01:18:13,260
some sort of daylight disc and that that

1662
01:18:18,679 --> 01:18:14,519
is sort of I guess you could sort of say

1663
01:18:21,589 --> 01:18:18,689
more normal corn quote so so we we kind

1664
01:18:23,179 --> 01:18:21,599
of live alongside the phenomenon in a

1665
01:18:25,159 --> 01:18:23,189
sense and maybe the phenomenon sort of

1666
01:18:26,659 --> 01:18:25,169
like that purposefully throwing us off

1667
01:18:29,659 --> 01:18:26,669
all the time and allowing for this

1668
01:18:31,669 --> 01:18:29,669
anarchy to exist and maybe the UFO

1669
01:18:33,020 --> 01:18:31,679
phenomena needs the Anarchy to exist

1670
01:18:35,179 --> 01:18:33,030
you know you need the high strain just

1671
01:18:38,810 --> 01:18:35,189
need the high strangeness next to the

1672
01:18:41,929 --> 01:18:38,820
scientific data driven UFO research well

1673
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:41,939
it is so we kind of have a paradox here

1674
01:18:48,319 --> 01:18:44,570
in that the UFO community has always

1675
01:18:50,569 --> 01:18:48,329
policed itself right that's the term

1676
01:18:54,500 --> 01:18:50,579
policed is interesting right right

1677
01:18:58,629 --> 01:18:54,510
and and and that allows for because of

1678
01:19:02,329 --> 01:18:58,639
no ivory tower there and those standards

1679
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:02,339
it allows for everybody to have this

1680
01:19:08,929 --> 01:19:05,010
freedom of speech and what we don't want

1681
01:19:11,239 --> 01:19:08,939
is to censor our community but we've got

1682
01:19:13,129 --> 01:19:11,249
you know what I mean now we've got two

1683
01:19:15,049 --> 01:19:13,139
things that are working against each

1684
01:19:18,229 --> 01:19:15,059
other where everything is allowed you

1685
01:19:20,329 --> 01:19:18,239
can have your freedom but there's no

1686
01:19:23,089 --> 01:19:20,339
policing for that and those standards

1687
01:19:25,639 --> 01:19:23,099
are set right it's a double-edged sword

1688
01:19:27,889 --> 01:19:25,649
right I mean the UFO community is very

1689
01:19:32,959 --> 01:19:27,899
much a countercultural community right

1690
01:19:35,389 --> 01:19:32,969
now we actively challenge sort of the

1691
01:19:37,310 --> 01:19:35,399
mainstream power systems we challenge

1692
01:19:40,310 --> 01:19:37,320
political systems you challenged

1693
01:19:44,750 --> 01:19:40,320
economic systems we challenge what the

1694
01:19:46,339 --> 01:19:44,760
very definition of normal is but the

1695
01:19:48,169 --> 01:19:46,349
problem is in order to sort of make any

1696
01:19:50,179 --> 01:19:48,179
progress or headway when it comes to

1697
01:19:52,129 --> 01:19:50,189
sort of proper research let's say or

1698
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:52,139
academic research or standardized

1699
01:19:56,359 --> 01:19:54,449
research you need those those bodies in

1700
01:19:59,029 --> 01:19:56,369
place right you need a set system of

1701
01:20:02,629 --> 01:19:59,039
sort of politics and economics and and

1702
01:20:03,879 --> 01:20:02,639
culture because you know somebody or

1703
01:20:06,490 --> 01:20:03,889
something has to

1704
01:20:08,260 --> 01:20:06,500
you know decide what what is allowed and

1705
01:20:10,689 --> 01:20:08,270
what isn't allowed could you imagine

1706
01:20:13,060 --> 01:20:10,699
like if if medical practice was like the

1707
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:13,070
UFO community right where anyone can any

1708
01:20:19,689 --> 01:20:14,690
doctor can do whatever they want follow

1709
01:20:23,500 --> 01:20:19,699
no rules it would be chaos so so we sort

1710
01:20:25,209 --> 01:20:23,510
of it's like a catch-22 right we haven't

1711
01:20:26,979 --> 01:20:25,219
really made a lot of progress new

1712
01:20:29,649 --> 01:20:26,989
philosophy speaking like we haven't

1713
01:20:32,260 --> 01:20:29,659
really gotten closer to any sort of set

1714
01:20:36,010 --> 01:20:32,270
answer as to what the source is of the

1715
01:20:37,959 --> 01:20:36,020
UFO phenomenon that being said we've

1716
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:37,969
made a lot of progress in in coming up

1717
01:20:42,100 --> 01:20:39,650
with a bunch of different hypotheses and

1718
01:20:44,020 --> 01:20:42,110
a bunch of different theories and and

1719
01:20:46,810 --> 01:20:44,030
we've kind of run the gamut I think of

1720
01:20:48,100 --> 01:20:46,820
you know where we're gonna go next you

1721
01:20:50,620 --> 01:20:48,110
know like what is the next thing on the

1722
01:20:53,169 --> 01:20:50,630
horizon for UFO thinking and then where

1723
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:53,179
we're going in 10 years and 20 or 30

1724
01:20:58,510 --> 01:20:56,449
years from what is the UFO and nigma

1725
01:21:04,350 --> 01:20:58,520
going to look like in those decades to

1726
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:04,360
come and and to that end it allows for

1727
01:21:11,109 --> 01:21:07,489
certain figures and certain individuals

1728
01:21:15,100 --> 01:21:11,119
to come into the community without any

1729
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:15,110
set standards and because of this

1730
01:21:22,570 --> 01:21:18,530
ability to not be censored or certainly

1731
01:21:26,229 --> 01:21:22,580
not have a report card and graded like

1732
01:21:28,500 --> 01:21:26,239
you would anywhere else in NASCAR or if

1733
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:28,510
you're a code writer in Silicon Valley

1734
01:21:35,020 --> 01:21:32,239
there are if you're not good or if

1735
01:21:37,899 --> 01:21:35,030
you're fake or if you have lied on your

1736
01:21:41,020 --> 01:21:37,909
CV you're gonna get caught here in the

1737
01:21:44,169 --> 01:21:41,030
UFO community we don't have that and now

1738
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:44,179
enters and this is this is where we need

1739
01:21:50,459 --> 01:21:46,730
to focus on a couple of things and you

1740
01:21:54,550 --> 01:21:50,469
do really well in the book is William or

1741
01:21:57,939 --> 01:21:54,560
Richard Doty and and and Paul bennewitz

1742
01:21:59,680 --> 01:21:57,949
and Linda Moulton Howe and Jamie SH and

1743
01:22:05,040 --> 01:21:59,690
array and

1744
01:22:08,620 --> 01:22:05,050
and this crazy situation that started to

1745
01:22:11,190 --> 01:22:08,630
unfold into the UFO community because

1746
01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:11,200
it's easy to do isn't it

1747
01:22:19,170 --> 01:22:16,400
yeah the the the 1980s is like one of

1748
01:22:21,490 --> 01:22:19,180
the most important decades in in UFO

1749
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:21,500
then the UFO narrative and in UFO

1750
01:22:28,140 --> 01:22:23,690
discourse no question it it's really

1751
01:22:30,730 --> 01:22:28,150
shaped what people what people believe

1752
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:30,740
when it comes to the UFO question right

1753
01:22:37,410 --> 01:22:34,130
the entire idea of like hidden

1754
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:37,420
underground bases and and really really

1755
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:39,890
complex government conspiracies and

1756
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:43,130
handshake deals with aliens and eby's

1757
01:22:47,740 --> 01:22:45,290
who like strawberry ice cream and

1758
01:22:50,140 --> 01:22:47,750
Tibetan music like this is all like

1759
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:50,150
really create a lot of mythology and and

1760
01:22:53,830 --> 01:22:51,890
and I don't mean mythology in that it's

1761
01:22:55,540 --> 01:22:53,840
fake but it's created mythology in the

1762
01:22:57,850 --> 01:22:55,550
sense that the stories have sort of

1763
01:23:00,340 --> 01:22:57,860
built upon themselves right mj-12 and

1764
01:23:02,440 --> 01:23:00,350
and all of that is just this this sort

1765
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:02,450
of mythological machine that just keeps

1766
01:23:06,510 --> 01:23:04,610
turning and and right at the center of

1767
01:23:09,700 --> 01:23:06,520
it all right like you have this whole

1768
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:09,710
you know cultural movement within

1769
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:11,930
ufology from the 1980s and like right

1770
01:23:16,540 --> 01:23:13,370
smack dab in the middle of it all right

1771
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:16,550
is Richard Doty who I feature sort of

1772
01:23:20,230 --> 01:23:18,530
prominently in my book he and I had

1773
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:20,240
several sort of interviews and we spoke

1774
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:23,810
a lot for about four or five months to

1775
01:23:28,990 --> 01:23:26,210
kind of put this chapter together and

1776
01:23:31,510 --> 01:23:29,000
and he's a really interesting cat I have

1777
01:23:33,130 --> 01:23:31,520
to be honest and and ultimately like I

1778
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:33,140
said as I say in the book he's like a

1779
01:23:38,950 --> 01:23:37,370
really nice guy he's he's he's he's

1780
01:23:41,530 --> 01:23:38,960
someone I would you know I'd buy him a

1781
01:23:46,630 --> 01:23:41,540
beer you know if I ever met him but he's

1782
01:23:50,590 --> 01:23:46,640
very much also sort of this this strange

1783
01:23:53,940 --> 01:23:50,600
figure in in that he's the most hated

1784
01:24:00,100 --> 01:23:53,950
man in ufology he's absolutely the most

1785
01:24:02,500 --> 01:24:00,110
hated man you know okay so that part of

1786
01:24:03,820 --> 01:24:02,510
it is like part myth and part real right

1787
01:24:05,350 --> 01:24:03,830
like not to catch up because I sort of

1788
01:24:08,300 --> 01:24:05,360
half mythology and half real that's kind

1789
01:24:13,010 --> 01:24:08,310
of the best way to put it did you

1790
01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:13,020
get a chance to listen to he called in

1791
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:14,400
to fade to black one night did you

1792
01:24:20,750 --> 01:24:17,520
listen to that interview you know I did

1793
01:24:23,630 --> 01:24:20,760
and I in fact I with the next morning

1794
01:24:26,420 --> 01:24:23,640
and I was texting him literally as I was

1795
01:24:30,380 --> 01:24:26,430
listening to it okay so yeah that's when

1796
01:24:32,420 --> 01:24:30,390
that happened okay so this is your take

1797
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:32,430
on Richard let's let's kind of focus on

1798
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:35,610
this because he is somebody that hasn't

1799
01:24:45,470 --> 01:24:41,520
gone away to this day he is as much of a

1800
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:45,480
part of this community no matter what

1801
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:47,730
your take is on Richard he is a part of

1802
01:24:56,480 --> 01:24:51,330
this community today but it is what he

1803
01:25:00,980 --> 01:24:56,490
did or didn't do right in in the 1980s

1804
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:00,990
that how do I should I say this has made

1805
01:25:07,220 --> 01:25:03,930
him such a dark figure that we don't

1806
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:07,230
even know now what is true and what

1807
01:25:15,650 --> 01:25:11,690
isn't about him and his job was

1808
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:15,660
disinformation and admittedly so on his

1809
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:16,170
part

1810
01:25:24,140 --> 01:25:20,330
so how do we today trust Richard Doty

1811
01:25:27,770 --> 01:25:24,150
well okay so I'm you know that's a tough

1812
01:25:30,260 --> 01:25:27,780
question because one thing I'll say is

1813
01:25:33,620 --> 01:25:30,270
is when I was speaking to Richard Doty

1814
01:25:35,930 --> 01:25:33,630
about his personal life you know he's a

1815
01:25:38,270 --> 01:25:35,940
grandfather who worships his

1816
01:25:41,180 --> 01:25:38,280
grandchildren and and loves them with

1817
01:25:44,330 --> 01:25:41,190
all his heart he's a family man you know

1818
01:25:47,690 --> 01:25:44,340
so he's he's a genuine human being and

1819
01:25:51,710 --> 01:25:47,700
he is he's a good person in that regard

1820
01:25:54,650 --> 01:25:51,720
right but he's been sort of lionized and

1821
01:25:57,020 --> 01:25:54,660
demonized so much that even when I speak

1822
01:25:59,630 --> 01:25:57,030
to him about sort of the UFO question um

1823
01:26:01,550 --> 01:25:59,640
I don't know if he's necessarily telling

1824
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:01,560
me the truth or not you know when he

1825
01:26:05,270 --> 01:26:03,570
sends me pictures of his grandkids or he

1826
01:26:09,500 --> 01:26:05,280
tells me about them you know I know he's

1827
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:09,510
being honest but when when he when he

1828
01:26:13,490 --> 01:26:11,280
starts talking about sort of what he did

1829
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:13,500
or what he didn't do or what he saw or

1830
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:15,360
didn't see when it came to the sort of

1831
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:18,570
alien UFO question you're left in this

1832
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:21,090
weird like I I don't know if like if I

1833
01:26:25,140 --> 01:26:22,090
trust you're like your

1834
01:26:27,330 --> 01:26:25,150
you're kind of left guessing right but

1835
01:26:29,100 --> 01:26:27,340
you know in in not maybe not in

1836
01:26:30,660 --> 01:26:29,110
defensive Richard Doty but to compare

1837
01:26:33,060 --> 01:26:30,670
what your dhoti to the UFO community

1838
01:26:35,580 --> 01:26:33,070
aren't we all kind of like isn't the UFO

1839
01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:35,590
phenomenon and the UFO discourse and the

1840
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:37,360
UFO community kind of like that - like

1841
01:26:42,540 --> 01:26:39,850
don't we exist in this sort of dualistic

1842
01:26:45,540 --> 01:26:42,550
realm where we tell stories and make

1843
01:26:48,380 --> 01:26:45,550
stuff up and live alongside charlatans

1844
01:26:51,450 --> 01:26:48,390
who just lie straight up and and and and

1845
01:26:53,460 --> 01:26:51,460
create new falafel content just by

1846
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:53,470
pulling out of their butt and then

1847
01:26:56,700 --> 01:26:55,210
there's the factual UFO stuff right the

1848
01:26:59,490 --> 01:26:56,710
objective events that the actual

1849
01:27:01,290 --> 01:26:59,500
sightings the real experiencers the real

1850
01:27:05,970 --> 01:27:01,300
abductees and contactees

1851
01:27:08,820 --> 01:27:05,980
so really UFO discourse and and UFO the

1852
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:08,830
UFO topic really is what Richard Doty is

1853
01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:13,120
right part myth and and part fact it's

1854
01:27:17,790 --> 01:27:15,280
both real and not real simultaneously

1855
01:27:19,620 --> 01:27:17,800
exactly the same way Richard Doty is and

1856
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:19,630
and what I sort of point out in the book

1857
01:27:23,130 --> 01:27:21,250
is I think we don't like Richard Doty

1858
01:27:26,460 --> 01:27:23,140
because we see ourselves sort of in

1859
01:27:30,090 --> 01:27:26,470
Richard dohee a little bit we see that

1860
01:27:33,480 --> 01:27:30,100
our reality is as much unreality and our

1861
01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:33,490
unreality is as real as reality if this

1862
01:27:38,850 --> 01:27:36,880
sort of symbiotic relationship and and

1863
01:27:40,500 --> 01:27:38,860
and like I said Dody is such an

1864
01:27:42,390 --> 01:27:40,510
interesting cat and I think that that's

1865
01:27:44,940 --> 01:27:42,400
why I spend a lot of time talking to him

1866
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:44,950
and interviewing him because he's really

1867
01:27:59,730 --> 01:27:57,630
would have and I asked him about this

1868
01:28:02,300 --> 01:27:59,740
directly you listen to the interview but

1869
01:28:07,770 --> 01:28:02,310
this is this is really the bottom line

1870
01:28:11,550 --> 01:28:07,780
Richard Doty should have told bennewitz

1871
01:28:14,730 --> 01:28:11,560
the truth right truth as he knew it

1872
01:28:19,650 --> 01:28:14,740
which is dude it's not UFOs you're

1873
01:28:22,230 --> 01:28:19,660
listening to secret government Air Force

1874
01:28:24,900 --> 01:28:22,240
communications on a top-secret project

1875
01:28:29,070 --> 01:28:24,910
be a good American citizen shut your

1876
01:28:29,940 --> 01:28:29,080
stuff down and it's not UFOs and let's

1877
01:28:34,050 --> 01:28:29,950
move forward

1878
01:28:35,049 --> 01:28:34,060
right that that you know and he was you

1879
01:28:39,370 --> 01:28:35,059
know no we need

1880
01:28:41,260 --> 01:28:39,380
to use bennewitz today disguise this as

1881
01:28:43,750 --> 01:28:41,270
UFOs because it was a secret government

1882
01:28:45,310 --> 01:28:43,760
project but if we could you know have

1883
01:28:48,069 --> 01:28:45,320
him believe it was UFOs he tells

1884
01:28:50,169 --> 01:28:48,079
everybody UFOs and it that takes the

1885
01:28:51,669 --> 01:28:50,179
smokescreen off of this secret access

1886
01:28:53,410 --> 01:28:51,679
program that we're working on at

1887
01:28:54,939 --> 01:28:53,420
Kirtland Air Force Base it has to deal

1888
01:28:56,830 --> 01:28:54,949
with whatever it was dealing with with

1889
01:29:00,310 --> 01:28:56,840
the Russians and satellites whatever it

1890
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:00,320
was it doesn't matter right I agree and

1891
01:29:07,779 --> 01:29:04,130
that and and he doesn't have any guilt

1892
01:29:10,330 --> 01:29:07,789
over that he's not apologetic for that

1893
01:29:13,919 --> 01:29:10,340
and that in lies the problem

1894
01:29:17,350 --> 01:29:13,929
whether he created the mj-12 documents I

1895
01:29:19,870 --> 01:29:17,360
don't care he probably did what he did

1896
01:29:22,089 --> 01:29:19,880
with Linda Moulton Howe wrong right what

1897
01:29:24,010 --> 01:29:22,099
he did without you know okay but when we

1898
01:29:27,580 --> 01:29:24,020
talk about specifically about Paul

1899
01:29:29,140 --> 01:29:27,590
bennewitz he was at a crossroads and

1900
01:29:32,169 --> 01:29:29,150
could have made the right decision and

1901
01:29:34,359 --> 01:29:32,179
he didn't and and if he wants to say

1902
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:34,369
that Paul bennewitz was unstable and

1903
01:29:41,350 --> 01:29:37,690
that was Paul's party you know it he had

1904
01:29:43,870 --> 01:29:41,360
he played a part in in the downfall of

1905
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:43,880
Paul bennewitz in the way that he came

1906
01:29:50,350 --> 01:29:46,880
unwound and that part of Richard will

1907
01:29:52,450 --> 01:29:50,360
there's no excuse for it and we're gonna

1908
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:52,460
we're gonna always look at him that way

1909
01:29:56,919 --> 01:29:54,800
I don't care how nice of a guy he is and

1910
01:29:59,830 --> 01:29:56,929
how much ice creepy buys his grandkids

1911
01:30:02,560 --> 01:29:59,840
you know that that situation there and

1912
01:30:05,290 --> 01:30:02,570
and I hit him with it directly and he

1913
01:30:06,490 --> 01:30:05,300
just did you know I was following orders

1914
01:30:09,010 --> 01:30:06,500
ah dude

1915
01:30:13,419 --> 01:30:09,020
and stop with that you know and and

1916
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:13,429
that's my take MJ for you do you think

1917
01:30:19,899 --> 01:30:16,130
that he will ever step forward and and

1918
01:30:22,270 --> 01:30:19,909
accept the responsibility well you know

1919
01:30:23,260 --> 01:30:22,280
that's a tough question like I can't I'm

1920
01:30:27,850 --> 01:30:23,270
not gonna I'm not here to a sort of

1921
01:30:29,290 --> 01:30:27,860
absolve Richard Doty and I agree with

1922
01:30:30,669 --> 01:30:29,300
you I definitely agree with you in that

1923
01:30:33,370 --> 01:30:30,679
you know he's definitely made a lot of

1924
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:33,380
mistakes and he's definitely and he's

1925
01:30:36,419 --> 01:30:34,489
definitely responsible for those

1926
01:30:43,359 --> 01:30:36,429
mistakes right those were his decisions

1927
01:30:45,939 --> 01:30:43,369
I think I think we need to you know I

1928
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:45,949
think the problem is again we've really

1929
01:30:48,850 --> 01:30:47,449
there's a lot of storytelling and

1930
01:30:51,070 --> 01:30:48,860
mythology around this home

1931
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:51,080
you know even you know when William

1932
01:30:56,410 --> 01:30:53,930
Moore came forward to talk about the

1933
01:30:58,450 --> 01:30:56,420
whole bennewitz affair um William Moore

1934
01:31:00,940 --> 01:30:58,460
even admitted that that bennewitz was

1935
01:31:02,530 --> 01:31:00,950
sort of a little unstable and definitely

1936
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:02,540
ran into situations half-cocked with

1937
01:31:06,460 --> 01:31:04,130
half date half of the information and

1938
01:31:10,630 --> 01:31:06,470
sort of ran to its full logical

1939
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:10,640
conclusion with no information so you

1940
01:31:14,980 --> 01:31:12,290
know I agree with you I think I think

1941
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:14,990
Richard Doty should have told Paul

1942
01:31:20,260 --> 01:31:18,050
bennewitz what what was actually going

1943
01:31:23,260 --> 01:31:20,270
on but at that point you know would have

1944
01:31:25,390 --> 01:31:23,270
been whatz listened to him you know I

1945
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:25,400
don't know I didn't know Paul bennewitz

1946
01:31:31,780 --> 01:31:28,130
yeah no let's take out let's take a

1947
01:31:34,180 --> 01:31:31,790
break we just yet what we just managed

1948
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to blow right through a commercial break

1949
01:31:40,090 --> 01:31:38,000
and I've got to nearly apologize to the

1950
01:31:42,340 --> 01:31:40,100
network for that I did it let's take a

1951
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break right here our guest tonight

1952
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MJ band is now MJ when we come back

1953
01:31:47,530 --> 01:31:45,740
we're gonna pick right up where we're

1954
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leaving off with Richard Odie's this is

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fade to black we're talking about his

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way out here we listen to Jimmy Church

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2052
01:36:38,729 --> 01:36:35,890
with Jimmy Church on the game changer

2053
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:41,580
hi I'm Lisa Vance your listings Jimmy

2054
01:36:47,940 --> 01:36:44,370
Church this is revolution the revolution

2055
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:47,950
will not be televised the revolution is

2056
01:37:31,899 --> 01:37:29,540
[Music]

2057
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:31,909
[Applause]

2058
01:37:36,229 --> 01:37:34,170
all right welcome back fade to black

2059
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:36,239
amazing conversation going on right now

2060
01:37:40,490 --> 01:37:38,130
MJ pan diocese here we're talking about

2061
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:40,500
his new book it's called the UFO people

2062
01:37:48,020 --> 01:37:44,610
and MJ really quick the book is

2063
01:37:50,359 --> 01:37:48,030
available for full release when is it

2064
01:37:52,340 --> 01:37:50,369
tomorrow yeah hopefully right now the

2065
01:37:54,620 --> 01:37:52,350
Kindle version is out so if you wanted

2066
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to purchase it for your Amazon Kindle

2067
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you can go to Amazon now and find it or

2068
01:38:04,669 --> 01:38:01,530
you can visit my website wwlp.com or

2069
01:38:06,709 --> 01:38:04,679
tear obscura net and you can sort of

2070
01:38:08,810 --> 01:38:06,719
find the links there the paperback

2071
01:38:10,790 --> 01:38:08,820
should be out either tomorrow or the day

2072
01:38:12,229 --> 01:38:10,800
after tomorrow so it'll show up on

2073
01:38:13,790 --> 01:38:12,239
Amazon within the next day or two

2074
01:38:17,959 --> 01:38:13,800
hopefully yeah there you go it's an

2075
01:38:22,129 --> 01:38:17,969
amazing read amazing read now the the

2076
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:22,139
situation with Dodie picking up is this

2077
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:27,650
it's not it's not a simple situation

2078
01:38:33,470 --> 01:38:30,690
what he was doing it wasn't just with

2079
01:38:36,050 --> 01:38:33,480
Paul bennewitz but it was with William

2080
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:36,060
Moore it was he pulled Linda Moulton

2081
01:38:43,820 --> 01:38:39,449
Howe into this you have of course Jamie

2082
01:38:47,359 --> 01:38:43,830
Shonda ray you have a TV show or two you

2083
01:38:50,689 --> 01:38:47,369
have the mj-12 documents and all of this

2084
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:50,699
was flooding into and not only what I

2085
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:52,530
just mentioned there but there were a

2086
01:38:58,220 --> 01:38:55,170
whole series of documents that William

2087
01:39:00,169 --> 01:38:58,230
Moore started to produce and this

2088
01:39:02,810 --> 01:39:00,179
information at disinformation was

2089
01:39:06,740 --> 01:39:02,820
flooding into the UFO community William

2090
01:39:08,629 --> 01:39:06,750
Moore was not a small person in the UFO

2091
01:39:10,850 --> 01:39:08,639
community the guy was spoke at every

2092
01:39:14,540 --> 01:39:10,860
single conference he was cranking books

2093
01:39:19,550 --> 01:39:14,550
out and he had one sensational thing

2094
01:39:24,050 --> 01:39:19,560
after another that he was a flooding

2095
01:39:26,030 --> 01:39:24,060
into the UFO community and it's not some

2096
01:39:28,430 --> 01:39:26,040
simple situation like it was with Paul

2097
01:39:30,500 --> 01:39:28,440
bennewitz and it was taking orders you

2098
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:30,510
know that's what he was doing and that's

2099
01:39:37,580 --> 01:39:33,449
that's the part where all of us with

2100
01:39:39,859 --> 01:39:37,590
Dodi need to focus on today in the UFO

2101
01:39:41,089 --> 01:39:39,869
community and what could also be going

2102
01:39:42,209 --> 01:39:41,099
on right now

2103
01:39:47,610 --> 01:39:42,219
and

2104
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:47,620
when this could be going on right right

2105
01:39:51,750 --> 01:39:50,170
I agree I think I think I mentioned it

2106
01:39:54,450 --> 01:39:51,760
in the book but I think if you know for

2107
01:39:56,850 --> 01:39:54,460
any of your fader nots who are

2108
01:39:59,760 --> 01:39:56,860
interested in in this sort of moment of

2109
01:40:00,959 --> 01:39:59,770
the UFO history something that really is

2110
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:00,969
important to look at is something called

2111
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:05,920
the prat tapes PRA tt Pratt's tapes and

2112
01:40:09,570 --> 01:40:07,210
it's basically a series of documents

2113
01:40:13,050 --> 01:40:09,580
they're all available online PDF format

2114
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:13,060
on Google so you just google them but

2115
01:40:17,970 --> 01:40:15,610
basically it was a collection of

2116
01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:17,980
documents that William Moore as well as

2117
01:40:25,229 --> 01:40:20,370
a couple other people put together

2118
01:40:28,260 --> 01:40:25,239
mainly it was Bob Pratt

2119
01:40:29,820 --> 01:40:28,270
Bill Pratt from know yeah Bob Pratt from

2120
01:40:33,420 --> 01:40:29,830
the National Enquirer and they're

2121
01:40:36,630 --> 01:40:33,430
writing a book and it's sort of predates

2122
01:40:39,689 --> 01:40:36,640
mj-12 and this whole debacle by a couple

2123
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:39,699
years but as as your listeners and any

2124
01:40:42,540 --> 01:40:40,930
researchers kind of go to these

2125
01:40:45,330 --> 01:40:42,550
documents they quickly realize that a

2126
01:40:47,459 --> 01:40:45,340
lot of the stuff a lot of the ideas that

2127
01:40:51,180 --> 01:40:47,469
came out in the 1980s regarding UFOs

2128
01:40:53,550 --> 01:40:51,190
sort of existed in a sort of a novel or

2129
01:40:56,670 --> 01:40:53,560
an idea for a novel that never made it

2130
01:40:58,860 --> 01:40:56,680
out and and the practice are this

2131
01:41:02,130 --> 01:40:58,870
interesting little piece of UFO history

2132
01:41:04,580 --> 01:41:02,140
that we don't really talk about but when

2133
01:41:06,570 --> 01:41:04,590
you compare it to sort of any other

2134
01:41:10,140 --> 01:41:06,580
modern day let's say or even

2135
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:10,150
contemporary today you know UFO let's

2136
01:41:13,380 --> 01:41:12,010
say organizations or groups or whatever

2137
01:41:15,570 --> 01:41:13,390
you can sort of draw a lot of

2138
01:41:20,070 --> 01:41:15,580
similarities between someone's sort of

2139
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:20,080
creative project and and we're wanting

2140
01:41:25,260 --> 01:41:22,690
to - to sell copies of a book or come up

2141
01:41:27,510 --> 01:41:25,270
with some novel idea and then linking it

2142
01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:27,520
to what becomes accepted as sort of

2143
01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:29,890
quote-unquote real there's a significant

2144
01:41:35,550 --> 01:41:32,800
link for example between the Pratt tapes

2145
01:41:37,500 --> 01:41:35,560
and and the idea for the novel Envy

2146
01:41:40,350 --> 01:41:37,510
mj-12 documents which surfaced

2147
01:41:42,810 --> 01:41:40,360
significantly later in time and so what

2148
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:42,820
let's let's get specific on a couple of

2149
01:41:48,290 --> 01:41:44,770
things the original the working title

2150
01:41:51,890 --> 01:41:48,300
for the book was project Aquarius and

2151
01:41:54,699 --> 01:41:51,900
which for those that have you know study

2152
01:41:56,859 --> 01:41:54,709
ufology and get into this the

2153
01:41:59,410 --> 01:41:56,869
they know about what I'm talking about

2154
01:42:04,120 --> 01:41:59,420
but for everybody else the Pratt tapes

2155
01:42:06,100 --> 01:42:04,130
and what was going on there is is a good

2156
01:42:08,709 --> 01:42:06,110
point of research but there's another

2157
01:42:11,020 --> 01:42:08,719
aspect to this and we got to talk about

2158
01:42:16,500 --> 01:42:11,030
Richard helm too as well and how the CIA

2159
01:42:20,919 --> 01:42:16,510
could have been involved in this but the

2160
01:42:23,850 --> 01:42:20,929
magic with a J the magic 12 was the

2161
01:42:27,969 --> 01:42:23,860
centerpiece of Project Aquarius right

2162
01:42:31,270 --> 01:42:27,979
mj-12 yeah the book was renamed to Magic

2163
01:42:33,729 --> 01:42:31,280
12 was renamed imagine 12 and Richard

2164
01:42:35,979 --> 01:42:33,739
Doty was a part of all of this and

2165
01:42:36,580 --> 01:42:35,989
that's what well that's what Pratt says

2166
01:42:39,819 --> 01:42:36,590
dodi

2167
01:42:42,149 --> 01:42:39,829
is in denial about this but what it sets

2168
01:42:45,819 --> 01:42:42,159
up for everybody is that Richard Doty

2169
01:42:48,839 --> 01:42:45,829
certainly was not to some sergeant in

2170
01:42:54,580 --> 01:42:48,849
the Air Force this was a guy that wanted

2171
01:42:58,779 --> 01:42:54,590
Fame apparently creating this UFO enigma

2172
01:43:01,929 --> 01:42:58,789
around magic 12 and mj-12 in this entire

2173
01:43:05,140 --> 01:43:01,939
storyline that ended up evolving anyway

2174
01:43:07,149 --> 01:43:05,150
through Jamie's and array right well I'm

2175
01:43:08,410 --> 01:43:07,159
yeah and this I can't not gonna speak

2176
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:08,420
for Richard Doty here so I'm gonna say

2177
01:43:13,839 --> 01:43:10,610
alleged Fame only because I don't wanna

2178
01:43:19,089 --> 01:43:13,849
not gonna I can't go down that road with

2179
01:43:20,949 --> 01:43:19,099
you know in in our opinions of sort of

2180
01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:20,959
maybe the motivations of Richard Doty

2181
01:43:25,270 --> 01:43:23,570
III don't know necessarily right well

2182
01:43:27,939 --> 01:43:25,280
hold on hold on come on let me just say

2183
01:43:33,879 --> 01:43:27,949
this I'm not suggesting that MJ what I'm

2184
01:43:37,149 --> 01:43:33,889
saying is that this story this this

2185
01:43:39,850 --> 01:43:37,159
period has been laid out that that is

2186
01:43:43,750 --> 01:43:39,860
probably what was actually going on and

2187
01:43:47,049 --> 01:43:43,760
Project Aquarius if it what if you can

2188
01:43:49,629 --> 01:43:47,059
believe Pratt and National Enquirer and

2189
01:43:54,790 --> 01:43:49,639
what is going on then this story was

2190
01:43:57,339 --> 01:43:54,800
already written before bill and Jamie

2191
01:43:59,620 --> 01:43:57,349
and the mj-12 documents came out and the

2192
01:44:01,029 --> 01:43:59,630
aviary and everything else much later

2193
01:44:03,459 --> 01:44:01,039
that's what I'm suggesting

2194
01:44:06,129 --> 01:44:03,469
yes and I think that that's that's a

2195
01:44:08,319 --> 01:44:06,139
sort of a pretty fair sort of hypothesis

2196
01:44:09,729 --> 01:44:08,329
for sure I think I think we can kind of

2197
01:44:14,260 --> 01:44:09,739
I can definitely follow you down that

2198
01:44:17,669 --> 01:44:14,270
road and but Dodi's isn't denial about

2199
01:44:19,750 --> 01:44:17,679
that that he didn't even know Pratt now

2200
01:44:23,319 --> 01:44:19,760
we've got a situation here

2201
01:44:25,479 --> 01:44:23,329
who do we believe right and that's that

2202
01:44:26,919 --> 01:44:25,489
is the big question and I think that's

2203
01:44:30,069 --> 01:44:26,929
that they're really the broader question

2204
01:44:32,260 --> 01:44:30,079
of all like a UFO discourse and all you

2205
01:44:35,290 --> 01:44:32,270
did the UFO community in general is like

2206
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:35,300
who do we believe right because there's

2207
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:38,570
we live even today in a world of many

2208
01:44:42,459 --> 01:44:40,610
people within the UFO community that we

2209
01:44:45,790 --> 01:44:42,469
can ask the same question of right and

2210
01:44:46,810 --> 01:44:45,800
can we believe them and this thinks back

2211
01:44:48,510 --> 01:44:46,820
to what we were talking about earlier

2212
01:44:50,890 --> 01:44:48,520
right this idea that there is no

2213
01:44:53,649 --> 01:44:50,900
hierarchy or established sort of ivory

2214
01:44:56,140 --> 01:44:53,659
tower or or governing body of you follow

2215
01:44:58,379 --> 01:44:56,150
gee everyone's kind of left to their own

2216
01:45:02,049 --> 01:44:58,389
devices to make decisions on their own

2217
01:45:03,970 --> 01:45:02,059
and a lot of times boils down to just

2218
01:45:05,709 --> 01:45:03,980
simply who you trust and who you believe

2219
01:45:08,109 --> 01:45:05,719
and and it doesn't always hinge upon

2220
01:45:10,930 --> 01:45:08,119
facts or evidence sometimes it does for

2221
01:45:14,439 --> 01:45:10,940
sure but but not all the time now

2222
01:45:18,069 --> 01:45:14,449
you before you started to interview

2223
01:45:21,899 --> 01:45:18,079
Richard you were in correspondence with

2224
01:45:25,750 --> 01:45:21,909
somebody IP I'll let you disclose that

2225
01:45:29,470 --> 01:45:25,760
or not giving you a warning

2226
01:45:34,120 --> 01:45:29,480
about Richard going into this tell us

2227
01:45:35,830 --> 01:45:34,130
about that exchange sure so let's say I

2228
01:45:38,950 --> 01:45:35,840
call up a friend within the UFO

2229
01:45:41,950 --> 01:45:38,960
community I would call the piii sent him

2230
01:45:44,109 --> 01:45:41,960
a message and sort of as I was putting

2231
01:45:46,540 --> 01:45:44,119
this book to book together I wanted to

2232
01:45:49,240 --> 01:45:46,550
include some interviews with some sort

2233
01:45:52,149 --> 01:45:49,250
of some of you follow geez you know

2234
01:45:54,490 --> 01:45:52,159
villains and heroes let's say and I

2235
01:45:57,700 --> 01:45:54,500
wanted to talk about I wanted to talk to

2236
01:46:01,330 --> 01:45:57,710
Richard Doty and and very quickly this

2237
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:01,340
person sort of said you know you know

2238
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:03,050
yeah that that's a great idea but you

2239
01:46:08,470 --> 01:46:04,610
you just you can't trust anything he

2240
01:46:13,270 --> 01:46:08,480
says and and you know this / play you

2241
01:46:15,069 --> 01:46:13,280
and and suddenly a very reasonable and

2242
01:46:16,620 --> 01:46:15,079
rational member of the UFO community who

2243
01:46:18,300 --> 01:46:16,630
I trust

2244
01:46:19,770 --> 01:46:18,310
and not only that who is a

2245
01:46:23,220 --> 01:46:19,780
well-established researcher and

2246
01:46:24,360 --> 01:46:23,230
well-respected very quickly sort of said

2247
01:46:26,220 --> 01:46:24,370
listen I don't want to be involved in

2248
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:26,230
this like I don't want I don't want my

2249
01:46:29,399 --> 01:46:28,210
name in regards to this or in relation

2250
01:46:30,209 --> 01:46:29,409
to this so I had to keep it totally

2251
01:46:33,810 --> 01:46:30,219
anonymous

2252
01:46:36,330 --> 01:46:33,820
but this individual and I had multiple

2253
01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:36,340
like dozens of conversations back and

2254
01:46:40,860 --> 01:46:39,730
forth concerning Dodi and and and

2255
01:46:43,410 --> 01:46:40,870
whether you should be part of the book

2256
01:46:46,290 --> 01:46:43,420
and how to frame it so you had a little

2257
01:46:47,939 --> 01:46:46,300
taste of the the face it was a facebook

2258
01:46:53,399 --> 01:46:47,949
messenger sort of back and forth that

2259
01:46:56,490 --> 01:46:53,409
that we had the the part of this wented

2260
01:47:00,750 --> 01:46:56,500
when it comes to Dodi and the

2261
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:00,760
possibility of him how do I say this

2262
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:05,770
knowing you right and we know that we've

2263
01:47:10,350 --> 01:47:07,570
had these same comments about him over

2264
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:10,360
the years now that you've got the book

2265
01:47:13,500 --> 01:47:12,010
out you've had your conversations with

2266
01:47:16,860 --> 01:47:13,510
them and things do you think that

2267
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:16,870
there's the possibility that maybe you

2268
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:18,610
you might have been played just a little

2269
01:47:28,590 --> 01:47:22,330
bit oh and I admit to that in my book I

2270
01:47:31,470 --> 01:47:28,600
I refer to it as I feel like what was it

2271
01:47:32,729 --> 01:47:31,480
like I'm the hen and and he's the Fox

2272
01:47:35,040 --> 01:47:32,739
right and he's starting to sniff around

2273
01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:35,050
the henhouse right like I just of course

2274
01:47:40,830 --> 01:47:38,370
I have this sort of anxiety that that

2275
01:47:44,010 --> 01:47:40,840
that a lot of the things we talked about

2276
01:47:47,129 --> 01:47:44,020
were untrue or partially true or a

2277
01:47:48,360 --> 01:47:47,139
mixture right of truth and fiction so so

2278
01:47:49,770 --> 01:47:48,370
of course it did

2279
01:47:53,340 --> 01:47:49,780
no there's nothing really in the book

2280
01:47:54,930 --> 01:47:53,350
that that he says really that's that's

2281
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:54,940
that sort of not generally already

2282
01:47:57,870 --> 01:47:56,530
accepted within the UFO community there

2283
01:47:59,910 --> 01:47:57,880
is one part that's very interesting

2284
01:48:02,300 --> 01:47:59,920
where he explains there he tries to

2285
01:48:07,169 --> 01:48:02,310
convince me I suppose that he wasn't

2286
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:07,179
Falken in the famous 1988 UFOs cover-up

2287
01:48:10,530 --> 01:48:09,010
live or whatever it was called right

2288
01:48:12,149 --> 01:48:10,540
that 80s

2289
01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:12,159
live show when I was hosted by Mike

2290
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:14,560
Farrell from Nash mm-hmm

2291
01:48:19,820 --> 01:48:16,810
he he sort of sits he sort of informing

2292
01:48:22,110 --> 01:48:19,830
multiple times and he sort of tried to

2293
01:48:24,750 --> 01:48:22,120
suppose get me to buy it let's say that

2294
01:48:26,129 --> 01:48:24,760
he wasn't Richard Doty or so he was

2295
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:26,139
sorry he was ordered that he wasn't

2296
01:48:30,390 --> 01:48:29,050
Falcon during that presentation but when

2297
01:48:32,250 --> 01:48:30,400
you watch it like you can watch on

2298
01:48:34,350 --> 01:48:32,260
YouTube for example like you you you

2299
01:48:36,930 --> 01:48:34,360
look at this person sit there and while

2300
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:36,940
their faces is sort of blacked out you

2301
01:48:40,140 --> 01:48:38,290
can hear them speak you could see sort

2302
01:48:40,979 --> 01:48:40,150
of the wireframe of the glass like

2303
01:48:42,510 --> 01:48:40,989
you're seeing they're being like oh my

2304
01:48:44,399 --> 01:48:42,520
god it's Richard Oh II like it totally

2305
01:48:45,930 --> 01:48:44,409
is Richard Doty what is he talking about

2306
01:48:49,770 --> 01:48:45,940
like is he actually think I'm gonna

2307
01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:49,780
believe this right so so maybe that's

2308
01:48:53,820 --> 01:48:51,850
the one time I maybe I I was sort of

2309
01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:53,830
like man I'm totally he's he's just

2310
01:48:58,620 --> 01:48:56,050
flat-out lying to me at this point but

2311
01:49:00,300 --> 01:48:58,630
listen he says it wasn't him he says he

2312
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:00,310
can prove it because he has records from

2313
01:49:05,820 --> 01:49:03,250
his sort of police academy in New Mexico

2314
01:49:07,740 --> 01:49:05,830
that says he was off training you know

2315
01:49:10,229 --> 01:49:07,750
at the time when that was filmed and and

2316
01:49:12,419 --> 01:49:10,239
and I don't know he like I said you're

2317
01:49:12,899 --> 01:49:12,429
kind of left in this you just don't know

2318
01:49:16,790 --> 01:49:12,909
what to believe

2319
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:16,800
well and the the problem with it is he

2320
01:49:24,810 --> 01:49:21,370
states as he has said to me that Richard

2321
01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:24,820
Helms was Falcon head of the CIA yeah

2322
01:49:33,689 --> 01:49:27,330
told me the same thing right right and

2323
01:49:35,729 --> 01:49:33,699
that ain't Richard Helms right so now

2324
01:49:38,370 --> 01:49:35,739
we're you know what are we left with

2325
01:49:40,380 --> 01:49:38,380
here I mean you see the wire-rimmed

2326
01:49:42,180 --> 01:49:40,390
glasses you see all of that there and

2327
01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:42,190
you know I don't know if it's Richard

2328
01:49:47,939 --> 01:49:44,770
but I can tell you who it isn't it's not

2329
01:49:50,630 --> 01:49:47,949
Helms right and again that's that's

2330
01:49:53,910 --> 01:49:50,640
really the that's so it's so

2331
01:49:56,399 --> 01:49:53,920
quintessentially like UFO community

2332
01:49:59,669 --> 01:49:56,409
right and you know when you talk about

2333
01:50:01,680 --> 01:49:59,679
who Falcon was does that mean every time

2334
01:50:03,180 --> 01:50:01,690
anyone ever discussed Falcon they were

2335
01:50:04,380 --> 01:50:03,190
talking to the same person or the same

2336
01:50:06,450 --> 01:50:04,390
individual I mean how many times do you

2337
01:50:07,770 --> 01:50:06,460
have you know emails from people within

2338
01:50:09,300 --> 01:50:07,780
the UFO community who claim to be

2339
01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:09,310
someone and it turns out they're not or

2340
01:50:14,939 --> 01:50:11,530
they're playing you or it's just you

2341
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:14,949
know someone someone messing around and

2342
01:50:18,750 --> 01:50:17,170
like you know even in the 1960s when

2343
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:18,760
John keel was dealing with this you know

2344
01:50:23,070 --> 01:50:20,650
he would often get crank calls from from

2345
01:50:26,490 --> 01:50:23,080
UFO enthusiasts and fanatics pretending

2346
01:50:28,380 --> 01:50:26,500
to be you know aliens from from Venus so

2347
01:50:31,200 --> 01:50:28,390
you know this is a common sort of

2348
01:50:34,470 --> 01:50:31,210
recurring historical motif that runs

2349
01:50:38,550 --> 01:50:34,480
through UFO history here Wow and this is

2350
01:50:40,649 --> 01:50:38,560
this and this is the point that you're

2351
01:50:43,290 --> 01:50:40,659
not only making the book but I certainly

2352
01:50:44,130 --> 01:50:43,300
speak about this often which is this is

2353
01:50:49,050 --> 01:50:44,140
exactly

2354
01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:49,060
why when when bill more in 1989 ran out

2355
01:50:58,470 --> 01:50:54,330
the back door for his life right and and

2356
01:51:01,890 --> 01:50:58,480
split that he left a room full of the

2357
01:51:05,790 --> 01:51:01,900
top top people in ufology that he was in

2358
01:51:08,850 --> 01:51:05,800
contact with that all were also

2359
01:51:10,530 --> 01:51:08,860
codependent on his information there's

2360
01:51:13,620 --> 01:51:10,540
no question about any of that he had

2361
01:51:16,350 --> 01:51:13,630
built relationships and suddenly he cut

2362
01:51:22,860 --> 01:51:16,360
everybody off at the knees and he stated

2363
01:51:25,470 --> 01:51:22,870
why write disinformation CIA the the the

2364
01:51:27,330 --> 01:51:25,480
Air Force and dodi and he he named

2365
01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:27,340
everything and and laid it out for

2366
01:51:33,690 --> 01:51:30,130
everybody and then split which is

2367
01:51:36,090 --> 01:51:33,700
exactly why we don't trust the Pentagon

2368
01:51:38,850 --> 01:51:36,100
this is why we don't trust the

2369
01:51:41,730 --> 01:51:38,860
military-industrial complex today and

2370
01:51:44,280 --> 01:51:41,740
it'll be a long time before that that

2371
01:51:47,580 --> 01:51:44,290
pain is ever healed and I'm gonna read a

2372
01:51:51,450 --> 01:51:47,590
quote from you from the book okay you

2373
01:51:53,400 --> 01:51:51,460
state here the UFO subculture has a

2374
01:51:55,790 --> 01:51:53,410
certain feeling towards the government

2375
01:51:58,770 --> 01:51:55,800
the military-industrial complex and the

2376
01:52:00,360 --> 01:51:58,780
establishments of authority such as the

2377
01:52:02,700 --> 01:52:00,370
corporate and scientific communities

2378
01:52:04,650 --> 01:52:02,710
that the feeling is that they are not

2379
01:52:07,470 --> 01:52:04,660
worthy of trust

2380
01:52:10,170 --> 01:52:07,480
compared to conspiracy theories alleged

2381
01:52:12,750 --> 01:52:10,180
whistleblowers and leaked top-secret

2382
01:52:15,690 --> 01:52:12,760
documents all led to this ideological

2383
01:52:19,170 --> 01:52:15,700
buildup of opposition to elite power

2384
01:52:22,920 --> 01:52:19,180
structures and the reason for that is

2385
01:52:26,670 --> 01:52:22,930
Richard Doty a large chunk of it right

2386
01:52:29,580 --> 01:52:26,680
there and you state it really well why

2387
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:29,590
should we trust things today when it

2388
01:52:35,610 --> 01:52:31,930
comes out of Washington DC or the

2389
01:52:38,150 --> 01:52:35,620
Pentagon or the CIA today well we know

2390
01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:38,160
and we've been warned about the past

2391
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:40,330
right and this is this is sort of a

2392
01:52:46,050 --> 01:52:42,970
common this is a very common problem

2393
01:52:51,660 --> 01:52:46,060
within even like you say today in UFO

2394
01:52:54,450 --> 01:52:51,670
discourse we we require information from

2395
01:52:56,460 --> 01:52:54,460
the government such as leaked gun camera

2396
01:52:57,569 --> 01:52:56,470
footage which has sort of been made

2397
01:53:01,470 --> 01:52:57,579
popular very recent

2398
01:53:04,560 --> 01:53:01,480
as new UFO data that we can sink our

2399
01:53:07,979 --> 01:53:04,570
teeth into so we need them on one hand

2400
01:53:10,970 --> 01:53:07,989
yet in the same breath we don't know if

2401
01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:10,980
that information is is valid or accurate

2402
01:53:15,089 --> 01:53:13,449
and this has been this is this can be

2403
01:53:17,339 --> 01:53:15,099
honest like this kind of goes even

2404
01:53:20,430 --> 01:53:17,349
before Richard Doty you know Kehoe had

2405
01:53:23,100 --> 01:53:20,440
the same problems keel and gray Barker

2406
01:53:26,160 --> 01:53:23,110
talked about the men in black and and

2407
01:53:29,069 --> 01:53:26,170
this sort of long-running again mistrust

2408
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:29,079
of the government it's it's it's I think

2409
01:53:33,120 --> 01:53:31,090
keel even points out you know the CIA

2410
01:53:34,620 --> 01:53:33,130
hates the FBI the FBI Hayes and CIA and

2411
01:53:35,669 --> 01:53:34,630
the phone company hates everybody right

2412
01:53:39,299 --> 01:53:35,679
he famously says in the Mothman

2413
01:53:43,379 --> 01:53:39,309
Prophecies so you have this long kind of

2414
01:53:44,970 --> 01:53:43,389
drawn-out anti-government vibe within

2415
01:53:47,580 --> 01:53:44,980
the UFO community yet at the same time

2416
01:53:50,819 --> 01:53:47,590
the UFO community needs them and you see

2417
01:53:53,010 --> 01:53:50,829
this discrepancy so clearly today within

2418
01:53:56,490 --> 01:53:53,020
the UFO community this whole a tip-off

2419
01:53:59,459 --> 01:53:56,500
SAP to the Stars Academy thing is is

2420
01:54:02,129 --> 01:53:59,469
this perfect storm right of you know

2421
01:54:05,640 --> 01:54:02,139
this legacy of mistrust towards the

2422
01:54:08,220 --> 01:54:05,650
government on one hand you know we feel

2423
01:54:10,709 --> 01:54:08,230
like sections or individuals within the

2424
01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:10,719
government certain compartments are here

2425
01:54:15,390 --> 01:54:12,730
to help us and certain compartments in

2426
01:54:17,010 --> 01:54:15,400
the government are here to hinder us and

2427
01:54:19,200 --> 01:54:17,020
they're constantly fighting with each

2428
01:54:21,089 --> 01:54:19,210
other and and some people like Lou

2429
01:54:22,140 --> 01:54:21,099
Elizondo are out to bring the truth out

2430
01:54:23,850 --> 01:54:22,150
because they're one of the good guys

2431
01:54:25,229 --> 01:54:23,860
from the government and then there's

2432
01:54:27,629 --> 01:54:25,239
other people within the government who

2433
01:54:30,149 --> 01:54:27,639
are trying to squash him like you you

2434
01:54:31,260 --> 01:54:30,159
it's sort of it keeps going and and it's

2435
01:54:33,540 --> 01:54:31,270
I don't think it's because of Richard

2436
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:33,550
Doty I think it's because that's just

2437
01:54:37,200 --> 01:54:35,530
how it's sort of always been this is how

2438
01:54:40,459 --> 01:54:37,210
the UFO community has sort of formed

2439
01:54:43,350 --> 01:54:40,469
ever since its beginnings in in the

2440
01:54:44,640 --> 01:54:43,360
1940s and 50s and then what I mean by

2441
01:54:46,890 --> 01:54:44,650
that is like sort of what we mean the

2442
01:54:49,080 --> 01:54:46,900
offal committee today to be that's kind

2443
01:54:53,100 --> 01:54:49,090
of been how it's sort of always been I

2444
01:54:57,919 --> 01:54:53,110
think since since the beginning of UFO

2445
01:55:03,030 --> 01:54:57,929
modern UFO history should we how long

2446
01:55:05,609 --> 01:55:03,040
how long what's the standard since we

2447
01:55:09,579 --> 01:55:05,619
don't have that ivory tower how much

2448
01:55:11,709 --> 01:55:09,589
time needs to pass before

2449
01:55:14,379 --> 01:55:11,719
the trust is established you know what I

2450
01:55:17,859 --> 01:55:14,389
mean what shouldn't you have some type

2451
01:55:20,139 --> 01:55:17,869
of track record or right now is the UFO

2452
01:55:23,559 --> 01:55:20,149
community going all in with something

2453
01:55:26,439 --> 01:55:23,569
like T TSA or any whistleblower right so

2454
01:55:28,419 --> 01:55:26,449
I I have a chapter in my book dedicated

2455
01:55:30,790 --> 01:55:28,429
to to sort of the invisible college

2456
01:55:33,399 --> 01:55:30,800
right and I have interviews from like

2457
01:55:35,649 --> 01:55:33,409
doctor kit Green helped put off doctor

2458
01:55:38,469 --> 01:55:35,659
Gary Nolan from Stanford University who

2459
01:55:40,599 --> 01:55:38,479
are sort of these sort of UFO insiders

2460
01:55:42,369 --> 01:55:40,609
right these these these people who study

2461
01:55:44,229 --> 01:55:42,379
the phenomenon and they have worked with

2462
01:55:45,699 --> 01:55:44,239
the government and they're former CIA or

2463
01:55:47,739 --> 01:55:45,709
they're former intelligence operatives

2464
01:55:50,799 --> 01:55:47,749
and they have clearances and and

2465
01:55:53,020 --> 01:55:50,809
whatever so I have a lot of their

2466
01:55:55,779 --> 01:55:53,030
research their current research in my

2467
01:55:57,309 --> 01:55:55,789
book and and what they're sort of

2468
01:55:59,409 --> 01:55:57,319
currently looking at and how they're

2469
01:56:01,839 --> 01:55:59,419
studying the UFO phenomenon and and it's

2470
01:56:04,029 --> 01:56:01,849
and it's sort of fairly detailed and

2471
01:56:07,689 --> 01:56:04,039
again it boils down to trust like do

2472
01:56:12,609 --> 01:56:07,699
when I sat down multiple times with Kip

2473
01:56:15,429 --> 01:56:12,619
green to talk about his study of people

2474
01:56:19,689 --> 01:56:15,439
who've been injured by anomalous aerial

2475
01:56:21,399 --> 01:56:19,699
phenomena do I trust kit Green right

2476
01:56:23,199 --> 01:56:21,409
like when I look at him in the eyes and

2477
01:56:26,319 --> 01:56:23,209
he's telling me what he's doing you know

2478
01:56:28,119 --> 01:56:26,329
do I do I take him at his word or do I

2479
01:56:29,770 --> 01:56:28,129
think he's you know he's playing me a

2480
01:56:31,389 --> 01:56:29,780
little bit because he was a former CIA

2481
01:56:33,129 --> 01:56:31,399
operative the guy could play me like a

2482
01:56:35,889 --> 01:56:33,139
fiddle if he wanted to that's right so

2483
01:56:37,839 --> 01:56:35,899
so you know I have to make that decision

2484
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:37,849
and and I sort of presented and I even

2485
01:56:42,219 --> 01:56:39,050
just talked about this in the book like

2486
01:56:44,109 --> 01:56:42,229
I'm I am I'm a fool who knows nothing

2487
01:56:48,429 --> 01:56:44,119
and I'm dealing with people who are much

2488
01:56:50,919 --> 01:56:48,439
smarter than me and but IIIi trust like

2489
01:56:54,849 --> 01:56:50,929
I trust kid green that he's not lying to

2490
01:56:57,699 --> 01:56:54,859
me that his research is legitimate when

2491
01:57:00,189 --> 01:56:57,709
Gary Nolan tells me about sort of the

2492
01:57:02,439 --> 01:57:00,199
the the the genetic research he's doing

2493
01:57:04,149 --> 01:57:02,449
along sidekick Green and his research

2494
01:57:07,329 --> 01:57:04,159
into the caudate putamen which sort of

2495
01:57:10,689 --> 01:57:07,339
is now public you know again do I trust

2496
01:57:13,359 --> 01:57:10,699
Gary Nolan and and I do I have no reason

2497
01:57:15,729 --> 01:57:13,369
not to but then again you start looking

2498
01:57:18,270 --> 01:57:15,739
into the past of people like kit green

2499
01:57:20,649 --> 01:57:18,280
or how put off or whatever Chris Mellon

2500
01:57:22,389 --> 01:57:20,659
Jim SEM event you know these are

2501
01:57:23,340 --> 01:57:22,399
individuals who are definitely players

2502
01:57:27,660 --> 01:57:23,350
within the government

2503
01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:27,670
some point so we need to again

2504
01:57:34,350 --> 01:57:30,490
it boils down to this notion of trust do

2505
01:57:36,930 --> 01:57:34,360
I trust sort of Richard Doty 100% no I

2506
01:57:39,030 --> 01:57:36,940
don't i trust him in certain ways I

2507
01:57:40,380 --> 01:57:39,040
trust him in when he like when you talk

2508
01:57:42,660 --> 01:57:40,390
about his family I trust him but I don't

2509
01:57:44,490 --> 01:57:42,670
trust him when he talks about UFOs do I

2510
01:57:46,440 --> 01:57:44,500
trust kit green when he talks about UFOs

2511
01:57:48,030 --> 01:57:46,450
or any talks about you know an almost

2512
01:57:50,670 --> 01:57:48,040
phenomena or Gary Nolan or how put up

2513
01:57:52,350 --> 01:57:50,680
you know I think I do trust them my gut

2514
01:57:55,890 --> 01:57:52,360
and that's really all I have to go by in

2515
01:57:58,380 --> 01:57:55,900
this world it tells me that I can and

2516
01:58:01,230 --> 01:57:58,390
I've lost my gut could be very wrong I

2517
01:58:03,210 --> 01:58:01,240
just hope it's not let's take a break

2518
01:58:06,480 --> 01:58:03,220
right here it's getting heated in here

2519
01:58:08,970 --> 01:58:06,490
MJ it's hot it's hot this is fade to

2520
01:58:10,890 --> 01:58:08,980
black when we come back we're gonna pick

2521
01:58:13,890 --> 01:58:10,900
up what we're leaving off we are going

2522
01:58:17,490 --> 01:58:13,900
to talk about and this is a very serious

2523
01:58:19,830 --> 01:58:17,500
subject the invisible college this is

2524
01:58:22,860 --> 01:58:19,840
fade to black the book is called the UFO

2525
01:58:26,720 --> 01:58:22,870
people and Jabin is say the black we'll

2526
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everybody's Rob Halford a mental guard

2527
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2531
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2532
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2533
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2534
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2557
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2558
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2559
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2560
01:59:53,339 --> 01:59:51,610
crawlspace have a damp musty smell well

2561
01:59:55,529 --> 01:59:53,349
watch out that's a sign of too much

2562
01:59:57,359 --> 01:59:55,539
moisture and not enough ventilation and

2563
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that can mean increased mold growth and

2564
02:00:01,739 --> 01:59:59,499
the build-up of harmful toxins and gases

2565
02:00:03,899 --> 02:00:01,749
don't bother with a dehumidifier it just

2566
02:00:05,700 --> 02:00:03,909
circulates the same unhealthy air now

2567
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2584
02:00:48,370 --> 02:00:44,900
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2585
02:00:52,669 --> 02:00:50,660
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2586
02:00:55,790 --> 02:00:52,679
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2590
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2591
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2597
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2601
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2602
02:01:34,189 --> 02:01:32,219
from the body the less time that way

2603
02:01:36,169 --> 02:01:34,199
sits in our intestines spreading toxins

2604
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to our bloodstream this tea helps

2605
02:01:40,310 --> 02:01:38,070
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2606
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2607
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2608
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2610
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2611
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2612
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if you're tired of being tired

2613
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get the life change tea at get the tea

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2615
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2616
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did you know that when you're on the

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2625
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eight two you can listen to me Jimmy

2626
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Church on any phone anytime anywhere

2627
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2628
02:02:44,860 --> 02:02:40,150
[Applause]

2629
02:02:47,520 --> 02:02:44,870
you wanna know a secret I love ponies I

2630
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really love ponies I'm serious I

2631
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couldn't stay sane without Pony mr.

2632
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Brooks I fade to black because you never

2633
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this is fade to black

2634
02:03:06,930 --> 02:03:03,250
with Jimmy Church on the game changer

2635
02:03:09,310 --> 02:03:06,940
radio network and kgr a the global radio

2636
02:03:22,439 --> 02:03:09,320
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2637
02:03:28,419 --> 02:03:25,350
welcome back fade to black

2638
02:03:30,490 --> 02:03:28,429
our guest tonight is MJ benaiah his new

2639
02:03:35,890 --> 02:03:30,500
book is called the UFO people we've got

2640
02:03:37,450 --> 02:03:35,900
the links up right now in Twitter the

2641
02:03:41,050 --> 02:03:37,460
paperback is gonna be released in a

2642
02:03:43,570 --> 02:03:41,060
couple of days and now here we go MJ

2643
02:03:45,360 --> 02:03:43,580
I've got another quote from you I could

2644
02:03:50,620 --> 02:03:45,370
read the entire book tonight on the show

2645
02:03:53,490 --> 02:03:50,630
is is this and I'm quoting you say much

2646
02:03:56,470 --> 02:03:53,500
of the Opposition is misguided

2647
02:03:59,470 --> 02:03:56,480
conspiratorial and even ridiculous

2648
02:04:02,229 --> 02:03:59,480
the exo politics movement disclosure the

2649
02:04:04,750 --> 02:04:02,239
alien Nazi secret machines with a k'

2650
02:04:06,669 --> 02:04:04,760
being worked on by Lockheed Martin and

2651
02:04:09,100 --> 02:04:06,679
skunk works channelling alien

2652
02:04:12,100 --> 02:04:09,110
communication and ancient alien

2653
02:04:14,979 --> 02:04:12,110
visitations are just a few examples that

2654
02:04:20,140 --> 02:04:14,989
fall into the trap of ideological

2655
02:04:22,240 --> 02:04:20,150
nonsense and charlatans REE now that's

2656
02:04:24,430 --> 02:04:22,250
that's pretty heavy but that's exactly

2657
02:04:27,850 --> 02:04:24,440
what's going on and when we're talking

2658
02:04:31,629 --> 02:04:27,860
about you know TTS a and and Jim semi

2659
02:04:34,090 --> 02:04:31,639
van and justice and melon and Elizondo

2660
02:04:35,560 --> 02:04:34,100
you actually you know you bring up you

2661
02:04:39,270 --> 02:04:35,570
know secret machines and Lockheed Martin

2662
02:04:41,919 --> 02:04:39,280
skunk works too as well is this is this

2663
02:04:46,270 --> 02:04:41,929
nonsense is this something that we are

2664
02:04:49,720 --> 02:04:46,280
being sold well you know it's tough you

2665
02:04:52,750 --> 02:04:49,730
know I purposely I purposely leave out

2666
02:04:54,879 --> 02:04:52,760
sort of to the stars you leave out you

2667
02:04:56,590 --> 02:04:54,889
leave out a lot of things and you should

2668
02:05:00,250 --> 02:04:56,600
have I totally get that

2669
02:05:01,930 --> 02:05:00,260
right but nonetheless you know partially

2670
02:05:04,270 --> 02:05:01,940
because I'm not sure if TTA is gonna be

2671
02:05:05,919 --> 02:05:04,280
around like long enough like like you

2672
02:05:07,390 --> 02:05:05,929
would you don't want like when you write

2673
02:05:09,459 --> 02:05:07,400
a book right you want to always sort of

2674
02:05:11,020 --> 02:05:09,469
look what's still gonna be around in

2675
02:05:12,040 --> 02:05:11,030
five years or in 10 years because you

2676
02:05:13,090 --> 02:05:12,050
still want your book to be relevant

2677
02:05:16,090 --> 02:05:13,100
right like you don't want to suddenly

2678
02:05:17,470 --> 02:05:16,100
throw in your lot with you know let's

2679
02:05:19,629 --> 02:05:17,480
and like let's say to the stars which

2680
02:05:21,820 --> 02:05:19,639
could fail in a year or two um you know

2681
02:05:24,459 --> 02:05:21,830
I kind of hope it doesn't but you know

2682
02:05:25,330 --> 02:05:24,469
it could so you don't want to throw that

2683
02:05:26,770 --> 02:05:25,340
in your book because then all of a

2684
02:05:28,270 --> 02:05:26,780
sudden you know people like wait what is

2685
02:05:29,500 --> 02:05:28,280
that I don't know there's like nine

2686
02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:29,510
years ago Wow

2687
02:05:34,030 --> 02:05:32,570
so yeah I was cautious in how I kind of

2688
02:05:38,020 --> 02:05:34,040
wrote that

2689
02:05:41,680 --> 02:05:38,030
but I can't speak necessarily if to the

2690
02:05:44,590 --> 02:05:41,690
stars or artistic Adam II is is sort of

2691
02:05:49,570 --> 02:05:44,600
fake or or charlatan is amount no I

2692
02:05:52,390 --> 02:05:49,580
don't really have enough data yet to to

2693
02:05:55,420 --> 02:05:52,400
get into that but there's a lot of other

2694
02:05:58,750 --> 02:05:55,430
examples I think of individuals or

2695
02:06:01,870 --> 02:05:58,760
groups that sort of play into this right

2696
02:06:05,050 --> 02:06:01,880
they they make a lot of bold claims and

2697
02:06:08,290 --> 02:06:05,060
they say that it's true but provide no

2698
02:06:09,940 --> 02:06:08,300
real evidence to back up their claims

2699
02:06:13,720 --> 02:06:09,950
right you just have to again take them

2700
02:06:16,090 --> 02:06:13,730
at their word and and really the litmus

2701
02:06:19,810 --> 02:06:16,100
test for me is is if somebody tells you

2702
02:06:22,210 --> 02:06:19,820
they know exactly what causes the UFO

2703
02:06:24,520 --> 02:06:22,220
phenomenon or they know exactly what is

2704
02:06:26,920 --> 02:06:24,530
the source of the abduction phenomenon

2705
02:06:28,810 --> 02:06:26,930
or the contactee phenomenon or whatever

2706
02:06:32,770 --> 02:06:28,820
if they if they stay this is what it is

2707
02:06:36,610 --> 02:06:32,780
100% you should not trust them because

2708
02:06:39,460 --> 02:06:36,620
no one knows what is actually behind UFO

2709
02:06:41,530 --> 02:06:39,470
it's not a single person so so that's

2710
02:06:43,600 --> 02:06:41,540
sort of my my my limit says you know if

2711
02:06:45,670 --> 02:06:43,610
you ever watch my my YouTube videos I

2712
02:06:48,490 --> 02:06:45,680
end every single YouTube video with the

2713
02:06:50,050 --> 02:06:48,500
same sort of tagline and that's you know

2714
02:06:51,729 --> 02:06:50,060
always keep searching for answers and

2715
02:06:54,190 --> 02:06:51,739
never trust those who say they have them

2716
02:06:55,870 --> 02:06:54,200
and I think that's essential within the

2717
02:06:57,400 --> 02:06:55,880
UFO community I think we need to remain

2718
02:07:00,100 --> 02:06:57,410
critical and I think we need to be

2719
02:07:03,880 --> 02:07:00,110
critical if anyone tells you they know

2720
02:07:05,350 --> 02:07:03,890
something 100% in this field they're

2721
02:07:06,970 --> 02:07:05,360
feeding you something and they're

2722
02:07:08,470 --> 02:07:06,980
basically that they're either delusional

2723
02:07:10,360 --> 02:07:08,480
they're trying to sell you something and

2724
02:07:12,760 --> 02:07:10,370
then you know and we've got somebody

2725
02:07:15,190 --> 02:07:12,770
like Kate green that comes out said look

2726
02:07:19,900 --> 02:07:15,200
man I don't know what's going on right

2727
02:07:23,530 --> 02:07:19,910
it's just like okay I get it kid I feel

2728
02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:23,540
it from you but dude you're ex-cia right

2729
02:07:29,350 --> 02:07:25,370
so I don't know where to go with that

2730
02:07:33,070 --> 02:07:29,360
and and and and he is okay let's discuss

2731
02:07:36,630 --> 02:07:33,080
the invisible college because you just

2732
02:07:39,430 --> 02:07:36,640
named all of these individuals who are

2733
02:07:42,550 --> 02:07:39,440
habla enough we're all tied to TTS a

2734
02:07:46,610 --> 02:07:42,560
these days but the invisible college

2735
02:07:48,500 --> 02:07:46,620
what is the invisible college sure so

2736
02:07:51,230 --> 02:07:48,510
the invisible college when it comes to

2737
02:07:53,510 --> 02:07:51,240
sort of UFOs specifically it was a sort

2738
02:07:56,450 --> 02:07:53,520
of a term I suppose coined by jail and

2739
02:07:58,760 --> 02:07:56,460
Hynek and and Jacques Vallee and it

2740
02:08:02,570 --> 02:07:58,770
referred to a group in some of the late

2741
02:08:04,880 --> 02:08:02,580
sixties seventies who were primarily

2742
02:08:07,010 --> 02:08:04,890
academics and and there were

2743
02:08:09,080 --> 02:08:07,020
professionals who were looking at and

2744
02:08:11,510 --> 02:08:09,090
studying the UFO phenomenon but in a

2745
02:08:14,360 --> 02:08:11,520
sort of total secrecy so they weren't

2746
02:08:16,280 --> 02:08:14,370
the usual sort of speaking at

2747
02:08:19,510 --> 02:08:16,290
conferences writing books about UFOs

2748
02:08:21,740 --> 02:08:19,520
kind of people they were you know

2749
02:08:23,510 --> 02:08:21,750
professionals and academics or people

2750
02:08:25,070 --> 02:08:23,520
within the government who had an

2751
02:08:27,200 --> 02:08:25,080
interest in UFOs but chose not to

2752
02:08:31,130 --> 02:08:27,210
disclose that they were actively looking

2753
02:08:35,420 --> 02:08:31,140
at it and pursuing the the UFO enigma

2754
02:08:38,240 --> 02:08:35,430
and so you sort of move forward to 2019

2755
02:08:40,040 --> 02:08:38,250
today really the invisible college in in

2756
02:08:43,280 --> 02:08:40,050
in really simple terms is a very sort of

2757
02:08:45,020 --> 02:08:43,290
loose system of individuals who sort of

2758
02:08:49,070 --> 02:08:45,030
follow that same principle they they

2759
02:08:50,450 --> 02:08:49,080
they study UFOs in secret but the you

2760
02:08:52,820 --> 02:08:50,460
this invisible College has really

2761
02:08:55,190 --> 02:08:52,830
swelled and grown since the 1960s and

2762
02:08:59,660 --> 02:08:55,200
70s the Internet has really changed

2763
02:09:02,090 --> 02:08:59,670
everything and and you have you know I

2764
02:09:03,980 --> 02:09:02,100
would probably say a few I would say a

2765
02:09:05,840 --> 02:09:03,990
little less than a thousand most likely

2766
02:09:07,490 --> 02:09:05,850
of sort of people who know each other

2767
02:09:09,290 --> 02:09:07,500
and a lot of them don't know each other

2768
02:09:12,560 --> 02:09:09,300
and then they form these little pockets

2769
02:09:14,450 --> 02:09:12,570
or Confederacy's who communicate with

2770
02:09:18,530 --> 02:09:14,460
one another and throw ideas back and

2771
02:09:20,720 --> 02:09:18,540
forth and basically they study UFOs the

2772
02:09:22,550 --> 02:09:20,730
the thing though that is surprising

2773
02:09:25,550 --> 02:09:22,560
about them is they're often people who

2774
02:09:30,020 --> 02:09:25,560
you'd never sort of suspect they're sort

2775
02:09:33,920 --> 02:09:30,030
of leaders in our technology markets

2776
02:09:35,870 --> 02:09:33,930
they're leaders in our you know how we

2777
02:09:39,350 --> 02:09:35,880
look at biotech there are leaders in

2778
02:09:40,670 --> 02:09:39,360
government they're leaders in academic

2779
02:09:43,670 --> 02:09:40,680
settings so they're they're chairs of

2780
02:09:45,680 --> 02:09:43,680
university departments whatever and and

2781
02:09:47,510 --> 02:09:45,690
they're really interested in UFOs but

2782
02:09:48,980 --> 02:09:47,520
they can't talk about it because their

2783
02:09:52,790 --> 02:09:48,990
professional careers would be at risk

2784
02:09:58,189 --> 02:09:52,800
and why do you think that is that on one

2785
02:10:01,660 --> 02:09:58,199
hand it appears that these is ex-cia or

2786
02:10:03,860 --> 02:10:01,670
you know current CIA insiders and

2787
02:10:06,680 --> 02:10:03,870
Defense Department military-industrial

2788
02:10:10,220 --> 02:10:06,690
complex individuals appear to be coming

2789
02:10:14,390 --> 02:10:10,230
forward and speaking about this and and

2790
02:10:17,120 --> 02:10:14,400
nobody is telling them to stop right is

2791
02:10:19,340 --> 02:10:17,130
it one of two situations one that they

2792
02:10:22,120 --> 02:10:19,350
truly believe in the subject and they

2793
02:10:25,430 --> 02:10:22,130
are coming forward despite what

2794
02:10:27,050 --> 02:10:25,440
repercussions would be there or is it be

2795
02:10:29,570 --> 02:10:27,060
that they're coming forward because

2796
02:10:32,990 --> 02:10:29,580
they're being told to and it is some

2797
02:10:35,630 --> 02:10:33,000
serious amounts of disinformation I mean

2798
02:10:37,189 --> 02:10:35,640
or is it somewhere in the middle yeah I

2799
02:10:38,990 --> 02:10:37,199
think there's probably a third option I

2800
02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:39,000
think I think the third option would be

2801
02:10:44,450 --> 02:10:41,850
that you know these people are not

2802
02:10:46,250 --> 02:10:44,460
breaking any rules when it comes to

2803
02:10:46,970 --> 02:10:46,260
their clearances or they're not bought

2804
02:10:49,610 --> 02:10:46,980
you know they're not they're not

2805
02:10:53,390 --> 02:10:49,620
basically you know committing treason by

2806
02:10:55,700 --> 02:10:53,400
violating their their their the rules of

2807
02:10:57,680 --> 02:10:55,710
their clearances so the government can't

2808
02:11:01,280 --> 02:10:57,690
really step in and say you can't talk

2809
02:11:04,000 --> 02:11:01,290
about UFOs only because you know what

2810
02:11:06,470 --> 02:11:04,010
they're saying is not breaking any laws

2811
02:11:08,150 --> 02:11:06,480
so I think that's sort of what's going

2812
02:11:10,340 --> 02:11:08,160
on here I think they may know a lot of

2813
02:11:12,800 --> 02:11:10,350
things I think when you speak to how put

2814
02:11:15,140 --> 02:11:12,810
off for example he knows a lot of things

2815
02:11:16,640 --> 02:11:15,150
that he can't talk about he will never

2816
02:11:21,770 --> 02:11:16,650
say because if he does say it it's

2817
02:11:23,959 --> 02:11:21,780
treason so he has to be cautious and so

2818
02:11:25,640 --> 02:11:23,969
I'm not sure if there's some sort of big

2819
02:11:28,010 --> 02:11:25,650
active conspiracy within the government

2820
02:11:30,439 --> 02:11:28,020
to sort of shut down all UFO discussion

2821
02:11:32,959 --> 02:11:30,449
I mean that's impossible you know we

2822
02:11:35,240 --> 02:11:32,969
know that's impossible and not only that

2823
02:11:37,459 --> 02:11:35,250
I'm pretty confident the government sort

2824
02:11:39,800 --> 02:11:37,469
of wants us to talk about UFOs right

2825
02:11:42,050 --> 02:11:39,810
because they know the myth making power

2826
02:11:44,840 --> 02:11:42,060
of UFO discourse right we generate our

2827
02:11:47,300 --> 02:11:44,850
own disinformation and misinformation I

2828
02:11:50,150 --> 02:11:47,310
could probably name I won't but I can

2829
02:11:52,580 --> 02:11:50,160
probably name a dozen sort of UFO

2830
02:11:55,939 --> 02:11:52,590
experts quote-unquote who speak at

2831
02:11:58,910 --> 02:11:55,949
conferences and and have massive

2832
02:12:00,410 --> 02:11:58,920
followings who receive and take half of

2833
02:12:03,410 --> 02:12:00,420
the information and run with it

2834
02:12:05,570 --> 02:12:03,420
and spin their own mythologies and they

2835
02:12:06,860 --> 02:12:05,580
do it purely by accident and they just

2836
02:12:08,990 --> 02:12:06,870
have half the story and that's what they

2837
02:12:10,610 --> 02:12:09,000
go on and then all of a sudden a whole

2838
02:12:11,200 --> 02:12:10,620
new myth forms and a whole new little

2839
02:12:13,210 --> 02:12:11,210
piece of MIS

2840
02:12:15,280 --> 02:12:13,220
information forms which becomes kind of

2841
02:12:17,530 --> 02:12:15,290
part of the UFO discourse and then is

2842
02:12:20,050 --> 02:12:17,540
talked about at length and sort of

2843
02:12:23,280 --> 02:12:20,060
becomes a real quote unquote and and

2844
02:12:27,790 --> 02:12:23,290
they just don't know why do you think

2845
02:12:32,230 --> 02:12:27,800
why do you think that you know put off

2846
02:12:34,150 --> 02:12:32,240
or kid green or melon or semi van any

2847
02:12:36,040 --> 02:12:34,160
one of these individuals I'm not so sure

2848
02:12:39,430 --> 02:12:36,050
about Lewis I haven't quite figured him

2849
02:12:42,250 --> 02:12:39,440
out yet I don't I'm not sure what he

2850
02:12:47,590 --> 02:12:42,260
actually knows but anybody else that

2851
02:12:50,590 --> 02:12:47,600
clearly should know the facts will not

2852
02:12:52,150 --> 02:12:50,600
say anything because if they did if I

2853
02:12:54,850 --> 02:12:52,160
was in possession of it I don't care

2854
02:12:58,540 --> 02:12:54,860
about my career or anything else or my

2855
02:13:00,580 --> 02:12:58,550
pension or jail time I come forward with

2856
02:13:04,860 --> 02:13:00,590
this because it would be the most

2857
02:13:09,250 --> 02:13:04,870
pivotal moment in human history

2858
02:13:12,180 --> 02:13:09,260
seriously pivotal going back throughout

2859
02:13:16,630 --> 02:13:12,190
oh I don't know of a more bigger

2860
02:13:19,930 --> 02:13:16,640
explosive revelation for humankind than

2861
02:13:20,770 --> 02:13:19,940
that why not come forward with it why

2862
02:13:25,420 --> 02:13:20,780
not

2863
02:13:30,490 --> 02:13:25,430
human history instead of doing this

2864
02:13:34,300 --> 02:13:30,500
dance right well do you have kids of

2865
02:13:35,650 --> 02:13:34,310
course I do right so so I suppose let's

2866
02:13:38,370 --> 02:13:35,660
see let's say you knew something you

2867
02:13:41,260 --> 02:13:38,380
couldn't say right you know would you

2868
02:13:42,310 --> 02:13:41,270
jeopardize not necessarily lives because

2869
02:13:43,810 --> 02:13:42,320
I don't think that would happen but I

2870
02:13:49,120 --> 02:13:43,820
think would you jeopardize your entire

2871
02:13:50,980 --> 02:13:49,130
life here and and your family's life in

2872
02:13:52,540 --> 02:13:50,990
in just where they go to school or where

2873
02:13:55,900 --> 02:13:52,550
they went to school or where they work

2874
02:13:57,820 --> 02:13:55,910
or you know I dare - you know what I'm

2875
02:14:01,570 --> 02:13:57,830
gonna answer you directly I think they

2876
02:14:02,770 --> 02:14:01,580
would be proud really well I know sorry

2877
02:14:04,240 --> 02:14:02,780
what it's right I don't I don't mean

2878
02:14:06,460 --> 02:14:04,250
what them being proud but I mean like

2879
02:14:10,720 --> 02:14:06,470
would you would you be alright to do

2880
02:14:12,250 --> 02:14:10,730
that as a parent so I would be the same

2881
02:14:13,650 --> 02:14:12,260
it's not to the same extent but let's

2882
02:14:16,480 --> 02:14:13,660
look at like the Edward Snowden

2883
02:14:19,900 --> 02:14:16,490
situation right Edward Snowden came

2884
02:14:21,160 --> 02:14:19,910
forward with verified information that

2885
02:14:24,560 --> 02:14:21,170
the United States government spied on

2886
02:14:26,810 --> 02:14:24,570
its own population mm-hmm illegally

2887
02:14:30,020 --> 02:14:26,820
and what happened as a result right he

2888
02:14:32,359 --> 02:14:30,030
now currently lives in Russia in an

2889
02:14:33,770 --> 02:14:32,369
embassy or he has an apartment now I

2890
02:14:35,060 --> 02:14:33,780
guess but he lives in Russia you can't

2891
02:14:37,479 --> 02:14:35,070
return the United States because you'd

2892
02:14:41,000 --> 02:14:37,489
be charged with treason and espionage

2893
02:14:42,919 --> 02:14:41,010
and it's and you know he was sort of

2894
02:14:45,050 --> 02:14:42,929
single relatively he hit a girlfriend

2895
02:14:48,470 --> 02:14:45,060
but he had no kids or whatever but he

2896
02:14:50,689 --> 02:14:48,480
can never return back home and and he

2897
02:14:52,189 --> 02:14:50,699
sort of stuck there forever and and

2898
02:14:53,839 --> 02:14:52,199
really has anything changed like really

2899
02:14:55,879 --> 02:14:53,849
you know did the United States

2900
02:14:58,040 --> 02:14:55,889
government's change his policies on how

2901
02:15:00,229 --> 02:14:58,050
it spies on its own population did did

2902
02:15:01,879 --> 02:15:00,239
we suddenly revolt against the

2903
02:15:03,250 --> 02:15:01,889
government and say I can't believe this

2904
02:15:06,350 --> 02:15:03,260
is happening this is a grave injustice

2905
02:15:08,030 --> 02:15:06,360
everything needs to change no nothing

2906
02:15:10,339 --> 02:15:08,040
really changed right we're still being

2907
02:15:12,950 --> 02:15:10,349
spied on we know that this conversation

2908
02:15:14,629 --> 02:15:12,960
is being logged by some algorithm in

2909
02:15:16,580 --> 02:15:14,639
some server somewhere I'm sure by the

2910
02:15:17,839 --> 02:15:16,590
NSA or the CIA not because they're

2911
02:15:19,280 --> 02:15:17,849
spying on you and me personally but just

2912
02:15:22,640 --> 02:15:19,290
because they log everything and and and

2913
02:15:24,080 --> 02:15:22,650
tap everything and collect all data you

2914
02:15:28,879 --> 02:15:24,090
know I mean really has anything changed

2915
02:15:31,850 --> 02:15:28,889
as a result of Snowden's actions I think

2916
02:15:34,250 --> 02:15:31,860
we're more aware of it but we sort of

2917
02:15:35,720 --> 02:15:34,260
just moved on and and and if somebody

2918
02:15:38,270 --> 02:15:35,730
came board and said listen here's my

2919
02:15:39,979 --> 02:15:38,280
evidence here's the best evidence there

2920
02:15:42,919 --> 02:15:39,989
is for for aliens or UFOs or

2921
02:15:44,180 --> 02:15:42,929
interdimensional beings or whatever you

2922
02:15:47,209 --> 02:15:44,190
know it'd be interesting to think what

2923
02:15:48,410 --> 02:15:47,219
would happen that person and and would

2924
02:15:51,770 --> 02:15:48,420
it be worth it in the end

2925
02:15:54,410 --> 02:15:51,780
I don't know guys well you know and what

2926
02:15:58,729 --> 02:15:54,420
what Snowden I think you bring up a good

2927
02:16:00,379 --> 02:15:58,739
point and and what Snowden did was and

2928
02:16:02,479 --> 02:16:00,389
what he revealed was certainly

2929
02:16:04,640 --> 02:16:02,489
groundbreaking and earth-shattering

2930
02:16:06,800 --> 02:16:04,650
there's no doubt about that

2931
02:16:08,510 --> 02:16:06,810
but he's still alive and he's living in

2932
02:16:10,459 --> 02:16:08,520
Russia and he's doing okay

2933
02:16:14,600 --> 02:16:10,469
he you know it wasn't like he was taken

2934
02:16:16,399 --> 02:16:14,610
out but the UFO the UFO enigma the UFO

2935
02:16:18,859 --> 02:16:16,409
question are we alone in the universe

2936
02:16:23,240 --> 02:16:18,869
what does the government know are we in

2937
02:16:27,620 --> 02:16:23,250
contact is Richter scale leagues above

2938
02:16:30,080 --> 02:16:27,630
the NSA spying right got something there

2939
02:16:32,990 --> 02:16:30,090
you know and if I was in possession of

2940
02:16:35,560 --> 02:16:33,000
that information I would definitely I

2941
02:16:37,810 --> 02:16:35,570
would I would be the martyr I

2942
02:16:39,791 --> 02:16:37,820
would do you personally believe that the

2943
02:16:41,830 --> 02:16:39,801
United States government knows what the

2944
02:16:43,360 --> 02:16:41,840
source of the UFO phenomenon is I do oh

2945
02:16:45,880 --> 02:16:43,370
you do okay

2946
02:16:51,610 --> 02:16:45,890
yeah I do I do I absolutely do like they

2947
02:16:53,830 --> 02:16:51,620
know 100% well is look when if if they

2948
02:16:58,780 --> 02:16:53,840
are in which I believe if they are in

2949
02:17:01,510 --> 02:16:58,790
possession with materials from a crashed

2950
02:17:04,180 --> 02:17:01,520
craft whether it's a drone craft some

2951
02:17:08,560 --> 02:17:04,190
research vessel that was sent here from

2952
02:17:12,550 --> 02:17:08,570
you know interstellar space live beings

2953
02:17:14,110 --> 02:17:12,560
on it or not right that is the answer to

2954
02:17:16,650 --> 02:17:14,120
the question right there are we alone in

2955
02:17:19,270 --> 02:17:16,660
the universe and they had that answer a

2956
02:17:21,610 --> 02:17:19,280
communication with fast radio bursts or

2957
02:17:23,550 --> 02:17:21,620
anything like that I think that they

2958
02:17:26,260 --> 02:17:23,560
would have that information too and

2959
02:17:28,660 --> 02:17:26,270
absolutely they they know what's going

2960
02:17:30,370 --> 02:17:28,670
on and they're not the only ones okay

2961
02:17:33,310 --> 02:17:30,380
they share this information with Russia

2962
02:17:37,510 --> 02:17:33,320
and China they have to you know we're

2963
02:17:41,590 --> 02:17:37,520
not we're not a monopoly on this kind of

2964
02:17:45,340 --> 02:17:41,600
information but if I was in the know you

2965
02:17:48,640 --> 02:17:45,350
know - this is the other example of this

2966
02:17:51,640 --> 02:17:48,650
okay we just we just stated that side of

2967
02:17:56,980 --> 02:17:51,650
it but let's go to the other side the

2968
02:17:59,380 --> 02:17:56,990
other side is we don't know right we

2969
02:18:04,080 --> 02:17:59,390
don't know well then come forward with

2970
02:18:07,690 --> 02:18:04,090
that right I mean one way or the other

2971
02:18:10,120 --> 02:18:07,700
instead of doing the dance and the dance

2972
02:18:13,480 --> 02:18:10,130
is what I don't like I just don't I I

2973
02:18:15,460 --> 02:18:13,490
don't appreciate that you know it come

2974
02:18:17,470 --> 02:18:15,470
out one way different look that you're

2975
02:18:19,720 --> 02:18:17,480
studying it you're looking into it you

2976
02:18:21,970 --> 02:18:19,730
haven't quite figured it out let's have

2977
02:18:24,400 --> 02:18:21,980
that let's have that conversation from a

2978
02:18:27,910 --> 02:18:24,410
four-star general from the Pentagon just

2979
02:18:30,820 --> 02:18:27,920
come out and tell us the truth right but

2980
02:18:35,080 --> 02:18:30,830
they won't you know that's my point

2981
02:18:38,080 --> 02:18:35,090
if if semi van or melon or justice you

2982
02:18:40,870 --> 02:18:38,090
know knows that side of the coin tell us

2983
02:18:42,130 --> 02:18:40,880
don't do the dance you know and that's

2984
02:18:45,490 --> 02:18:42,140
and that's my point

2985
02:18:48,010 --> 02:18:45,500
yeah and it one way or the other what is

2986
02:18:49,330 --> 02:18:48,020
it that you know just come forward we

2987
02:18:53,710 --> 02:18:49,340
can handle the truth

2988
02:18:57,100 --> 02:18:53,720
you know when when the New York Times

2989
02:19:00,490 --> 02:18:57,110
came out with that article MJ you know

2990
02:19:03,640 --> 02:19:00,500
back in December of 2017 did people jump

2991
02:19:07,510 --> 02:19:03,650
off of buildings right did religions

2992
02:19:09,970 --> 02:19:07,520
collapse no it was like everybody's like

2993
02:19:11,980 --> 02:19:09,980
well okay there you go we always knew

2994
02:19:14,800 --> 02:19:11,990
that that was going on and that's the

2995
02:19:17,980 --> 02:19:14,810
way that the world reacted right don't

2996
02:19:20,140 --> 02:19:17,990
you agree with that no yeah I agreed

2997
02:19:22,270 --> 02:19:20,150
there was no major change really I mean

2998
02:19:25,600 --> 02:19:22,280
not not within a sort of mainstream

2999
02:19:28,170 --> 02:19:25,610
culture no no and and so I think that we

3000
02:19:31,120 --> 02:19:28,180
can handle the truth today I really do

3001
02:19:33,460 --> 02:19:31,130
now I want to change gears a little bit

3002
02:19:36,460 --> 02:19:33,470
before we run out of time we've got

3003
02:19:39,970 --> 02:19:36,470
about ten minutes left the other aspect

3004
02:19:46,930 --> 02:19:39,980
that you touch upon in this in in the

3005
02:19:51,220 --> 02:19:46,940
book is the the the balance of and what

3006
02:19:53,650 --> 02:19:51,230
is going on or in balance of the UFO

3007
02:19:59,650 --> 02:19:53,660
community and you bring up one point in

3008
02:20:04,530 --> 02:19:59,660
there and that is when it comes to women

3009
02:20:06,700 --> 02:20:04,540
that abductees tend to be women

3010
02:20:08,801 --> 02:20:06,710
contactees or those are the ones that

3011
02:20:11,020 --> 02:20:08,811
are coming forward and speaking about

3012
02:20:14,320 --> 02:20:11,030
this I don't hear much

3013
02:20:15,910 --> 02:20:14,330
I don't separate Travis Walton right but

3014
02:20:18,041 --> 02:20:15,920
I don't hear men coming forward saying

3015
02:20:21,400 --> 02:20:18,051
that they were abductees why do you

3016
02:20:23,230 --> 02:20:21,410
think that that is man that's a tough

3017
02:20:25,480 --> 02:20:23,240
question and you know I don't know the

3018
02:20:27,551 --> 02:20:25,490
the data comes from a book called lore

3019
02:20:30,341 --> 02:20:27,561
of the edge by Brenda denzler who she

3020
02:20:32,341 --> 02:20:30,351
wrote it in the late 90s early 2000 but

3021
02:20:34,570 --> 02:20:32,351
yeah it's something like huge numbers of

3022
02:20:36,070 --> 02:20:34,580
like you said AB Cup teams that come

3023
02:20:38,890 --> 02:20:36,080
forward are predominately women and and

3024
02:20:39,640 --> 02:20:38,900
the vast majority of sort of UFO experts

3025
02:20:42,461 --> 02:20:39,650
quote unquote

3026
02:20:43,780 --> 02:20:42,471
who talk about UFOs in a more distant

3027
02:20:45,220 --> 02:20:43,790
sense like not what happened me

3028
02:20:48,280 --> 02:20:45,230
personally but this is what I know about

3029
02:20:51,780 --> 02:20:48,290
UFOs are men and you know I don't know I

3030
02:20:55,511 --> 02:20:51,790
think I think you know maybe part of it

3031
02:20:57,940 --> 02:20:55,521
has to do with with the way you know

3032
02:21:02,320 --> 02:20:57,950
maybe we culturally sort of just in

3033
02:21:05,810 --> 02:21:02,330
general sort of painted how men and

3034
02:21:08,930 --> 02:21:05,820
you know appear in in political

3035
02:21:11,211 --> 02:21:08,940
discourse or or in just you know the

3036
02:21:13,070 --> 02:21:11,221
general discourse you know men certain

3037
02:21:15,140 --> 02:21:13,080
take certain positions because that's

3038
02:21:18,110 --> 02:21:15,150
just sort of how culture has raised them

3039
02:21:19,491 --> 02:21:18,120
and women take others or more personal

3040
02:21:22,430 --> 02:21:19,501
positions because again that's sort of

3041
02:21:26,301 --> 02:21:22,440
the culture has kind of raised them to

3042
02:21:29,331 --> 02:21:26,311
be M right or wrong predominately wrong

3043
02:21:31,491 --> 02:21:29,341
but you know this is sort of the the

3044
02:21:33,020 --> 02:21:31,501
potentially the sex it's sexist stay to

3045
02:21:34,911 --> 02:21:33,030
thatthat sort of our contemporary

3046
02:21:36,890 --> 02:21:34,921
cultures in and I think you know ufology

3047
02:21:38,810 --> 02:21:36,900
or UFO discourse and the Evoque

3048
02:21:41,541 --> 02:21:38,820
community can't just follow suit right

3049
02:21:44,270 --> 02:21:41,551
like we said earlier with sort of

3050
02:21:48,110 --> 02:21:44,280
contemporary culture we sort of we have

3051
02:21:50,751 --> 02:21:48,120
coexist with it so you know I'm not sure

3052
02:21:53,690 --> 02:21:50,761
why that's the case so from a numbers

3053
02:21:55,461 --> 02:21:53,700
standpoint I don't really you know I I

3054
02:21:57,650 --> 02:21:55,471
can't answer the question really yeah I

3055
02:22:00,801 --> 02:21:57,660
know it's a fascinating question yeah

3056
02:22:06,051 --> 02:22:00,811
because it could be one of a couple of

3057
02:22:08,690 --> 02:22:06,061
things one that et just likes to abduct

3058
02:22:11,121 --> 02:22:08,700
women okay all right okay so there could

3059
02:22:13,820 --> 02:22:11,131
be that could be an easy answer and the

3060
02:22:17,150 --> 02:22:13,830
other part of it is that it's about the

3061
02:22:21,110 --> 02:22:17,160
same but men don't like to admit to it

3062
02:22:23,360 --> 02:22:21,120
Oh interesting yeah there could be a

3063
02:22:25,161 --> 02:22:23,370
sort of weird sort of machismo maybe

3064
02:22:27,470 --> 02:22:25,171
right that that you know men don't get

3065
02:22:29,900 --> 02:22:27,480
abducted cuz they want potential I could

3066
02:22:31,940 --> 02:22:29,910
I could maybe see that as a potential

3067
02:22:36,320 --> 02:22:31,950
option for sure yeah because I wouldn't

3068
02:22:41,150 --> 02:22:36,330
admit to it you know I don't know I

3069
02:22:44,001 --> 02:22:41,160
don't know or there's you know or if the

3070
02:22:46,190 --> 02:22:44,011
abduction experiences may have happened

3071
02:22:48,171 --> 02:22:46,200
with men but they don't maybe they don't

3072
02:22:49,400 --> 02:22:48,181
want to know about it too as well they

3073
02:22:52,511 --> 02:22:49,410
don't want to go through the regression

3074
02:22:55,850 --> 02:22:52,521
or they you know any type of hypnotic

3075
02:22:59,961 --> 02:22:55,860
therapy that they just they just want to

3076
02:23:04,940 --> 02:22:59,971
ignore the possibility so we don't get

3077
02:23:07,371 --> 02:23:04,950
that data where women are probably open

3078
02:23:10,610 --> 02:23:07,381
to regression therapy and they want to

3079
02:23:12,569 --> 02:23:10,620
find out about you know missing time and

3080
02:23:15,359 --> 02:23:12,579
they approach it

3081
02:23:17,179 --> 02:23:15,369
a bit differently than men would and

3082
02:23:19,889 --> 02:23:17,189
maybe that's why the numbers are skewed

3083
02:23:21,989 --> 02:23:19,899
great I mean I can't speak to what I

3084
02:23:25,199 --> 02:23:21,999
can't speak to sort of what the aliens

3085
02:23:27,449 --> 02:23:25,209
do on because I've never met one but I

3086
02:23:30,239 --> 02:23:27,459
speak to sort of the the more human

3087
02:23:32,069 --> 02:23:30,249
aspects of just the fact that when you

3088
02:23:33,539 --> 02:23:32,079
look at you know UFO conferences or when

3089
02:23:37,050 --> 02:23:33,549
you look at UFO books or when you look

3090
02:23:39,719 --> 02:23:37,060
at UFO media the vast majority of people

3091
02:23:42,749 --> 02:23:39,729
within sort of those expert positions

3092
02:23:45,119 --> 02:23:42,759
are male so that's not sure if that's

3093
02:23:46,559 --> 02:23:45,129
necessarily sort of an alien phenomena I

3094
02:23:50,519 --> 02:23:46,569
think that's just generally a human

3095
02:23:54,269 --> 02:23:50,529
phenomenon you know men are are are

3096
02:23:57,659 --> 02:23:54,279
usually judged by you know their work

3097
02:24:00,719 --> 02:23:57,669
and and and and their their character

3098
02:24:03,389 --> 02:24:00,729
and women are often judged by like what

3099
02:24:05,309 --> 02:24:03,399
they wear on stage for example we see

3100
02:24:07,649 --> 02:24:05,319
this sort of within the most recent sort

3101
02:24:09,119 --> 02:24:07,659
of election of or the recent ditional

3102
02:24:11,309 --> 02:24:09,129
American election between Hillary

3103
02:24:13,739 --> 02:24:11,319
Clinton and Donald Trump right you know

3104
02:24:16,229 --> 02:24:13,749
Hillary Clinton was often criticized in

3105
02:24:18,959 --> 02:24:16,239
the media by her clothing choices and

3106
02:24:21,119 --> 02:24:18,969
then that never really happened on on

3107
02:24:24,209 --> 02:24:21,129
through the mail and with with with mr.

3108
02:24:26,339 --> 02:24:24,219
Trump so you know I think we kind of see

3109
02:24:28,979 --> 02:24:26,349
this sort of reflected within the UFO

3110
02:24:32,399 --> 02:24:28,989
community a bit men are sort of

3111
02:24:34,409 --> 02:24:32,409
perceived to be experts and and and

3112
02:24:37,260 --> 02:24:34,419
women sort of have to often fight for

3113
02:24:38,999 --> 02:24:37,270
their place a little harder or they're

3114
02:24:41,819 --> 02:24:39,009
judged on things that are sort of

3115
02:24:44,129 --> 02:24:41,829
irrelevant so you know I don't know I

3116
02:24:46,319 --> 02:24:44,139
can't speak to who gets abducted more I

3117
02:24:50,249 --> 02:24:46,329
don't know but I can't speak to the

3118
02:24:52,800 --> 02:24:50,259
numbers of conference speakers which

3119
02:24:53,959 --> 02:24:52,810
which are pretty clear yes and what so

3120
02:24:58,800 --> 02:24:53,969
what is next

3121
02:25:00,899 --> 02:24:58,810
MJ this book should have been three

3122
02:25:03,629 --> 02:25:00,909
times as long are you working on a part

3123
02:25:06,300 --> 02:25:03,639
two yeah well right now I am doing

3124
02:25:08,369 --> 02:25:06,310
research for another book or two it

3125
02:25:11,819 --> 02:25:08,379
really depends on where my life goes the

3126
02:25:14,459 --> 02:25:11,829
next year but yeah I'm definitely doing

3127
02:25:15,959 --> 02:25:14,469
more research for sort of other books

3128
02:25:18,569 --> 02:25:15,969
that are obviously similar to this one

3129
02:25:20,669 --> 02:25:18,579
over sort of a continuation I'm really

3130
02:25:22,639 --> 02:25:20,679
working on my youtube-channel creating

3131
02:25:25,289 --> 02:25:22,649
YouTube videos sort of as much as I can

3132
02:25:26,041 --> 02:25:25,299
which is sort of my current focus as

3133
02:25:28,770 --> 02:25:26,051
well as my blog

3134
02:25:32,511 --> 02:25:28,780
terrible Kiera so yeah right now I'm

3135
02:25:36,121 --> 02:25:32,521
just kind of riding through ufology and

3136
02:25:39,841 --> 02:25:36,131
I'm really I've been recently reading a

3137
02:25:42,720 --> 02:25:39,851
lot of sort of 1960s UFO researchers

3138
02:25:45,390 --> 02:25:42,730
like grey Barker and John keel to sort

3139
02:25:46,921 --> 02:25:45,400
of get my my brain is that mode a little

3140
02:25:48,810 --> 02:25:46,931
bit I might sort of do something in

3141
02:25:50,881 --> 02:25:48,820
relation to them I found them very

3142
02:25:53,491 --> 02:25:50,891
interesting so that's sort of my future

3143
02:25:55,980 --> 02:25:53,501
at this point thank you so much the book

3144
02:25:57,661 --> 02:25:55,990
is a fascinating read MJ and I look

3145
02:26:00,871 --> 02:25:57,671
forward to having you back on the show

3146
02:26:02,791 --> 02:26:00,881
and there you go what a great

3147
02:26:04,801 --> 02:26:02,801
conversation tonight and thank you so

3148
02:26:05,251 --> 02:26:04,811
much that's been an honor thank you for

3149
02:26:09,841 --> 02:26:05,261
having me

3150
02:26:11,730 --> 02:26:09,851
it is Tara obscura dotnet and the links

3151
02:26:14,400 --> 02:26:11,740
are over at Jimmy Church radio.com and

3152
02:26:16,650 --> 02:26:14,410
you can get the new book the UFO people

3153
02:26:17,331 --> 02:26:16,660
right there Thank You MJ enjoy the rest

3154
02:26:21,511 --> 02:26:17,341
of your evening

3155
02:26:23,640 --> 02:26:21,521
thank you have a great night MJ benaiah

3156
02:26:25,230 --> 02:26:23,650
what a great conversation all right I'm

3157
02:26:27,331 --> 02:26:25,240
gonna take a quick break right here this

3158
02:26:29,131 --> 02:26:27,341
is fade to black I'll come back to your

3159
02:26:32,161 --> 02:26:29,141
phone calls seven four seven two two

3160
02:26:33,010 --> 02:26:32,171
eight two zero five one I'll be right

3161
02:26:55,190 --> 02:26:33,020
back

3162
02:27:04,130 --> 02:26:58,679
my boy Jimmy Church Jimmy Church

3163
02:27:14,300 --> 02:27:04,140
radio.com this my popular opinion

3164
02:27:20,490 --> 02:27:18,570
hurricanes earthquakes wildfires this

3165
02:27:22,950 --> 02:27:20,500
year we've experienced more than our

3166
02:27:25,260 --> 02:27:22,960
fair share this is Jimmy Church of fade

3167
02:27:27,270 --> 02:27:25,270
to black and last month I decided to

3168
02:27:29,700 --> 02:27:27,280
make sure my family does not have to

3169
02:27:32,849 --> 02:27:29,710
worry about food should we get caught in

3170
02:27:35,280 --> 02:27:32,859
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3172
02:27:39,000 --> 02:27:36,970
tastes so good that you'll want to eat

3173
02:27:41,250 --> 02:27:39,010
it every day instead of just during

3174
02:27:43,500 --> 02:27:41,260
those times of duress all new manna

3175
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community it's a trippy place it is

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the phones hi you're live on fade to

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black who's calling hi Jimmy this is

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Dennis from Tennessee hey Dennis from

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Tennessee how are you man oh great I

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tried to call you last night anyway I

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kind of had an answer to a question you

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02:32:23,560 --> 02:32:18,920
had earlier what's that whenever Missy

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02:32:25,690 --> 02:32:23,570
your question was uh I only have any UFO

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02:32:29,250 --> 02:32:25,700
standards to go by you know in the UFO

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02:32:32,560 --> 02:32:29,260
community and basically it's dr. Greer

3269
02:32:35,230 --> 02:32:32,570
if you go by his standards all of his

3270
02:32:38,261 --> 02:32:35,240
stuff is he has to have the

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02:32:41,410 --> 02:32:38,271
documentation that I love the guy but he

3272
02:32:44,591 --> 02:32:41,420
has no gift he has no leeway and then to

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go by David Wilcock he had years and

3274
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years of experience and people and you

3275
02:32:54,880 --> 02:32:51,470
know you either believe him or you don't

3276
02:33:00,150 --> 02:32:54,890
but I mean come on the guy researches

3277
02:33:03,551 --> 02:33:00,160
you know how the Union then Emory Smith

3278
02:33:07,600 --> 02:33:03,561
he's done he's got documentation for his

3279
02:33:10,120 --> 02:33:07,610
military service his medical his company

3280
02:33:12,130 --> 02:33:10,130
you know them suing him and taking it

3281
02:33:16,540 --> 02:33:12,140
and all the rest of that but he has no

3282
02:33:18,700 --> 02:33:16,550
proof and then you even have like like

3283
02:33:21,130 --> 02:33:18,710
correlate his twenty back it's like okay

3284
02:33:22,990 --> 02:33:21,140
I can't prove to you that I served for

3285
02:33:24,940 --> 02:33:23,000
20 years and then they request me

3286
02:33:27,040 --> 02:33:24,950
brought my body back put me back in

3287
02:33:28,551 --> 02:33:27,050
seventeen again as I might live my life

3288
02:33:31,660 --> 02:33:28,561
right

3289
02:33:36,470 --> 02:33:31,670
so if you go through just those three

3290
02:33:40,091 --> 02:33:36,480
then you either believe them or you

3291
02:33:43,551 --> 02:33:40,101
don't and you can't make a standard

3292
02:33:46,490 --> 02:33:43,561
there is no you know no ivory tower that

3293
02:33:49,520 --> 02:33:46,500
we can put up because if you did then

3294
02:33:53,720 --> 02:33:49,530
you would be saying okay well I believe

3295
02:33:56,270 --> 02:33:53,730
dr. Greer he has the right answers but

3296
02:34:00,080 --> 02:33:56,280
he has kitchenette documentation then

3297
02:34:03,110 --> 02:34:00,090
you know Wilcox see he has some

3298
02:34:05,091 --> 02:34:03,120
documentation but he has insiders Smith

3299
02:34:07,011 --> 02:34:05,101
he has documentation but he has no proof

3300
02:34:10,700 --> 02:34:07,021
he can't bring you a slide stay here

3301
02:34:13,310 --> 02:34:10,710
this is an alien mm-hmm so you can't

3302
02:34:16,150 --> 02:34:13,320
have you like you said you can't have an

3303
02:34:18,950 --> 02:34:16,160
ivory tower it's impossible right

3304
02:34:20,390 --> 02:34:18,960
otherwise your port and limitations yeah

3305
02:34:24,290 --> 02:34:20,400
yeah and you're right about that

3306
02:34:28,190 --> 02:34:24,300
and see this is the thing Dennis that

3307
02:34:30,230 --> 02:34:28,200
that is one of the the points that I try

3308
02:34:32,540 --> 02:34:30,240
to drive home as often as I can on this

3309
02:34:35,360 --> 02:34:32,550
show which is if you listen to fade to

3310
02:34:37,520 --> 02:34:35,370
black night after night and we've done

3311
02:34:39,230 --> 02:34:37,530
you know over a thousand broadcast and

3312
02:34:41,390 --> 02:34:39,240
then you combine what I've done over at

3313
02:34:43,730 --> 02:34:41,400
a coast to coast and and all the

3314
02:34:46,421 --> 02:34:43,740
television stuff when you when you look

3315
02:34:49,640 --> 02:34:46,431
at all of that so much of it can be

3316
02:34:53,360 --> 02:34:49,650
contradictory day in and day out right

3317
02:34:57,350 --> 02:34:53,370
and and it is a difficult thing to do

3318
02:34:59,030 --> 02:34:57,360
but what we have to do and that is the

3319
02:35:01,400 --> 02:34:59,040
standard that we have in the UFO

3320
02:35:03,290 --> 02:35:01,410
community is we have to listen to

3321
02:35:05,900 --> 02:35:03,300
everything you don't have to believe

3322
02:35:08,330 --> 02:35:05,910
everything but you have to listen to

3323
02:35:11,001 --> 02:35:08,340
everything and that that's really the

3324
02:35:13,461 --> 02:35:11,011
bottom line you have to just collect at

3325
02:35:16,160 --> 02:35:13,471
all what you resonate with and don't

3326
02:35:18,410 --> 02:35:16,170
resonate with well that's that's that

3327
02:35:21,200 --> 02:35:18,420
you know that's your gold standard you

3328
02:35:23,360 --> 02:35:21,210
know and that's that's that's what's

3329
02:35:27,110 --> 02:35:23,370
most important here where we get into a

3330
02:35:30,320 --> 02:35:27,120
danger zone dennis is when we stop

3331
02:35:31,430 --> 02:35:30,330
listening or we say hey I'm right and

3332
02:35:33,980 --> 02:35:31,440
you're wrong

3333
02:35:37,400 --> 02:35:33,990
when when that happens nobody can tell

3334
02:35:40,850 --> 02:35:37,410
me or somebody else that their

3335
02:35:42,411 --> 02:35:40,860
experiences weren't real you can't do

3336
02:35:44,781 --> 02:35:42,421
that you you can't

3337
02:35:46,100 --> 02:35:44,791
and and that's that's the danger zone

3338
02:35:48,321 --> 02:35:46,110
that we get into but you're absolutely

3339
02:35:52,701 --> 02:35:48,331
right we just have to listen to

3340
02:35:54,501 --> 02:35:52,711
everybody and yeah I do have one

3341
02:35:57,831 --> 02:35:54,511
question for I tried to call you during

3342
02:36:00,621 --> 02:35:57,841
your Emerald Tablet okay that was a live

3343
02:36:01,701 --> 02:36:00,631
broadcast right they all are like this

3344
02:36:05,991 --> 02:36:01,711
one yes

3345
02:36:06,291 --> 02:36:06,001
oh okay I so wanted to get through to

3346
02:36:12,470 --> 02:36:06,301
you

3347
02:36:15,621 --> 02:36:12,480
that was the third time I saw it word

3348
02:36:18,671 --> 02:36:15,631
for word expression on your face turning

3349
02:36:21,831 --> 02:36:18,681
in your chair going up to the mic that

3350
02:36:28,821 --> 02:36:21,841
was the third time I watched you do that

3351
02:36:32,930 --> 02:36:28,831
I know Wow Wow

3352
02:36:35,031 --> 02:36:32,940
how cool is that so deja boo' yeah

3353
02:36:38,841 --> 02:36:35,041
you're Stephen Hawking's question yes

3354
02:36:43,671 --> 02:36:38,851
and the time party there was a third

3355
02:36:46,881 --> 02:36:43,681
time you had that on there Wow

3356
02:36:49,341 --> 02:36:46,891
deja vu man yeah I had to tell you that

3357
02:36:54,470 --> 02:36:49,351
yeah thank you so much Dennis enjoy the

3358
02:36:55,911 --> 02:36:54,480
rest of your night you too yeah thank

3359
02:37:02,841 --> 02:36:55,921
you

3360
02:37:05,531 --> 02:37:02,851
gotta love that that's uh that's pretty

3361
02:37:08,301 --> 02:37:05,541
straight let's go back to the vote a

3362
02:37:10,520 --> 02:37:08,311
hold on before I do let me do this here

3363
02:37:12,951 --> 02:37:10,530
really quick and I appreciate everybody

3364
02:37:15,560 --> 02:37:12,961
trying to call in right now and I will

3365
02:37:18,650 --> 02:37:15,570
get to everybody okay so if I'm putting

3366
02:37:20,841 --> 02:37:18,660
on hold just stay right there and I'll

3367
02:37:24,171 --> 02:37:20,851
get to everybody all right hi you're

3368
02:37:26,091 --> 02:37:24,181
live on fade to black who's calling this

3369
02:37:28,640 --> 02:37:26,101
Kevin from UK market

3370
02:37:30,650 --> 02:37:28,650
hi Kevin from Eugene or again how are

3371
02:37:33,650 --> 02:37:30,660
you I'm doing all right

3372
02:37:36,591 --> 02:37:33,660
Jimmy I just love your show totally

3373
02:37:38,180 --> 02:37:36,601
addicted to it now and because of the

3374
02:37:40,190 --> 02:37:38,190
topic that you guys had tonight I

3375
02:37:41,180 --> 02:37:40,200
thought I'd call in and share my UFO

3376
02:37:44,361 --> 02:37:41,190
sighting

3377
02:37:47,631 --> 02:37:44,371
know what happened I was living in

3378
02:37:49,791 --> 02:37:47,641
Duarte at the time down here in Southern

3379
02:37:55,551 --> 02:37:49,801
California Duarte yes sir

3380
02:37:56,251 --> 02:37:55,561
oh yeah and I was had gone out it was

3381
02:37:59,341 --> 02:37:56,261
about mid

3382
02:38:01,770 --> 02:37:59,351
I had gone out this was in 2014

3383
02:38:04,560 --> 02:38:01,780
I'd gone out to look at the Blood Moon

3384
02:38:06,930 --> 02:38:04,570
which it was in 2014 I think it was like

3385
02:38:12,030 --> 02:38:06,940
June early summer somewhere in there

3386
02:38:15,541 --> 02:38:12,040
okay and I got out there and it was was

3387
02:38:17,940 --> 02:38:15,551
about maybe halfway are almost

3388
02:38:22,831 --> 02:38:17,950
completely blood but when at the time I

3389
02:38:26,251 --> 02:38:22,841
got out to look at it and I'm standing

3390
02:38:31,171 --> 02:38:26,261
on the front lawn of this house which

3391
02:38:33,121 --> 02:38:31,181
looks down into southward into what

3392
02:38:35,911 --> 02:38:33,131
would be Covina and down there mm-hmm

3393
02:38:39,440 --> 02:38:35,921
and I see a full sky you know it's nice

3394
02:38:44,970 --> 02:38:39,450
guy and here comes something in the sky

3395
02:38:47,400 --> 02:38:44,980
and I look at it and I can see it's I

3396
02:38:48,711 --> 02:38:47,410
think it's a plane but this got no

3397
02:38:51,600 --> 02:38:48,721
lights on

3398
02:38:54,900 --> 02:38:51,610
the only thing illuminating what I could

3399
02:38:57,511 --> 02:38:54,910
see was the city lights and then I I

3400
02:39:03,390 --> 02:38:57,521
took a closer look and I see it's kind

3401
02:39:05,220 --> 02:39:03,400
of cylindrical a whitish color and yeah

3402
02:39:08,881 --> 02:39:05,230
I can't see the whole thing because it's

3403
02:39:12,961 --> 02:39:08,891
so dark but that's what I could see now

3404
02:39:15,150 --> 02:39:12,971
the cylinder was perpendicular to the

3405
02:39:15,900 --> 02:39:15,160
direction it was traveling that was

3406
02:39:19,470 --> 02:39:15,910
really weird

3407
02:39:22,261 --> 02:39:19,480
hmm and I'm looking at it and then I

3408
02:39:25,081 --> 02:39:22,271
noticed I cannot believe how fast it's

3409
02:39:27,541 --> 02:39:25,091
moving it's moving so much faster than

3410
02:39:30,990 --> 02:39:27,551
any jet and of course it's making no

3411
02:39:33,240 --> 02:39:31,000
sound and I could look down I'm looking

3412
02:39:35,671 --> 02:39:33,250
at all of the other private planes

3413
02:39:39,600 --> 02:39:35,681
flying around you know over the city of

3414
02:39:41,701 --> 02:39:39,610
Kadena and I could tell it was at about

3415
02:39:47,121 --> 02:39:41,711
the same height so it was probably

3416
02:39:51,860 --> 02:39:47,131
between oh four well maybe two to three

3417
02:39:57,780 --> 02:39:55,711
and and then so I'm watching it and I

3418
02:39:59,461 --> 02:39:57,790
can't look around there's nobody on the

3419
02:40:01,291 --> 02:39:59,471
street there's nobody out I wanted to

3420
02:40:05,791 --> 02:40:01,301
say to somebody hey do you see that you

3421
02:40:10,290 --> 02:40:05,801
know right around and and then I just

3422
02:40:13,559 --> 02:40:10,300
watch it head Northwest and it and

3423
02:40:16,769 --> 02:40:13,569
went over the mountain range and as I'm

3424
02:40:21,179 --> 02:40:16,779
washing it then so then I just took you

3425
02:40:24,590 --> 02:40:21,189
to confirm I saw what I saw in terms of

3426
02:40:27,779 --> 02:40:24,600
it how fast it was going I just

3427
02:40:30,510 --> 02:40:27,789
reenacted it you know myself and counted

3428
02:40:32,639 --> 02:40:30,520
one one thousand two one thousand Jimmy

3429
02:40:35,550 --> 02:40:32,649
that thing was out of sight over the

3430
02:40:41,269 --> 02:40:35,560
mountains in eight seconds Wow

3431
02:40:45,510 --> 02:40:41,279
and I want every that was yet duarte is

3432
02:40:48,479 --> 02:40:45,520
off of the 210 freeway east of Los

3433
02:40:52,019 --> 02:40:48,489
Angeles east of Monrovia east of

3434
02:40:56,790 --> 02:40:52,029
Pasadena and Arcadia heading heading due

3435
02:40:59,340 --> 02:40:56,800
east and it like Kevin's just describing

3436
02:41:02,550 --> 02:40:59,350
it overlooks the eastern part of Los

3437
02:41:06,029 --> 02:41:02,560
Angeles which is La Puente and West

3438
02:41:08,189 --> 02:41:06,039
Covina in that area but going Northwest

3439
02:41:10,229 --> 02:41:08,199
that aware the direction that this is

3440
02:41:17,420 --> 02:41:10,239
traveling it's heading straight towards

3441
02:41:27,059 --> 02:41:18,540
north

3442
02:41:29,189 --> 02:41:27,069
Northwest and I'm going towards Vale

3443
02:41:32,550 --> 02:41:29,199
yeah yeah yeah yeah well I'm facing

3444
02:41:35,519 --> 02:41:32,560
south and it's going north west that's

3445
02:41:38,090 --> 02:41:35,529
towards Vegas okay well I thought that

3446
02:41:40,559 --> 02:41:38,100
was more East oh no northeast would be

3447
02:41:47,040 --> 02:41:40,569
know if it was going northeast it would

3448
02:41:53,910 --> 02:41:47,050
be Palm Springs yep yeah yeah yeah

3449
02:41:56,219 --> 02:41:53,920
absolutely don't don't throw me off yeah

3450
02:41:59,490 --> 02:41:56,229
yeah Northwest I was going towards of

3451
02:42:02,790 --> 02:41:59,500
the 15 which is Las Vegas yeah very

3452
02:42:05,069 --> 02:42:02,800
interesting great sighting Kevin yeah it

3453
02:42:07,080 --> 02:42:05,079
was great III just couldn't believe it I

3454
02:42:08,700 --> 02:42:07,090
couldn't sleep all night after that and

3455
02:42:11,130 --> 02:42:08,710
then of course the next morning I went

3456
02:42:13,830 --> 02:42:11,140
and filed a report with Peter Davenport

3457
02:42:16,859 --> 02:42:13,840
site yeah great but you didn't take a

3458
02:42:18,029 --> 02:42:16,869
picture did you know I had no cameras

3459
02:42:19,859 --> 02:42:18,039
and there wouldn't have been anything to

3460
02:42:22,980 --> 02:42:19,869
see cuz this thing wasn't illuminated

3461
02:42:26,350 --> 02:42:22,990
right only by the city light right right

3462
02:42:28,360 --> 02:42:26,360
Wow I just I just that whole evening in

3463
02:42:31,180 --> 02:42:28,370
my bed I'm this famous oh my god I

3464
02:42:34,440 --> 02:42:31,190
cannot believe I saw oh and it wasn't

3465
02:42:38,530 --> 02:42:34,450
you know anything typical it was bizarre

3466
02:42:41,020 --> 02:42:38,540
no wife and all and you know and

3467
02:42:43,091 --> 02:42:41,030
cylindrical traveling perpendicular to

3468
02:42:44,820 --> 02:42:43,101
the cylinder is just weird

3469
02:42:47,320 --> 02:42:44,830
yeah I'm still waiting for my

3470
02:42:47,830 --> 02:42:47,330
cylindrical sighting I haven't had one

3471
02:42:51,551 --> 02:42:47,840
yet

3472
02:42:56,560 --> 02:42:51,561
and I've always you know it's difficult

3473
02:42:59,170 --> 02:42:56,570
for me to picture I've heard so many

3474
02:43:01,360 --> 02:42:59,180
reports we all have in photographs over

3475
02:43:03,310 --> 02:43:01,370
the years but I haven't I haven't had

3476
02:43:04,990 --> 02:43:03,320
mine yet and I look forward to the day

3477
02:43:07,060 --> 02:43:05,000
that I do so I'm a little jealous Kevin

3478
02:43:10,270 --> 02:43:07,070
enjoy the rest of your night and thank

3479
02:43:12,370 --> 02:43:10,280
you for the phone call you bet thank you

3480
02:43:19,000 --> 02:43:12,380
Kevin that's a great sighting so that's

3481
02:43:21,400 --> 02:43:19,010
over thwart a Blood Moon back in 2014

3482
02:43:23,350 --> 02:43:21,410
and I'm just curious if anybody else was

3483
02:43:27,341 --> 02:43:23,360
in Los Angeles during the Blood Moon

3484
02:43:28,990 --> 02:43:27,351
back in 2014 if you saw anything back

3485
02:43:30,490 --> 02:43:29,000
then I would love to hear from you all

3486
02:43:32,020 --> 02:43:30,500
right let's go back to the phones hi

3487
02:43:43,750 --> 02:43:32,030
you're live on fade to black who's

3488
02:43:44,670 --> 02:43:43,760
calling hello yes Virginia and what's

3489
02:43:49,000 --> 02:43:44,680
your name again

3490
02:43:52,660 --> 02:43:49,010
yeah sure hey yeah sure how are you I'm

3491
02:43:55,530 --> 02:43:52,670
good it's a it's a great night my man

3492
02:44:00,190 --> 02:43:55,540
what's on your mind

3493
02:44:04,420 --> 02:44:00,200
I just want I I just I just think that

3494
02:44:07,750 --> 02:44:04,430
it's important to warn everybody this is

3495
02:44:11,080 --> 02:44:07,760
my first time I'm going on the air and I

3496
02:44:14,530 --> 02:44:11,090
think it is a good time to work people

3497
02:44:17,140 --> 02:44:14,540
that'd be great Ayatollah is coming he

3498
02:44:21,190 --> 02:44:17,150
will fall from the sky the great

3499
02:44:26,881 --> 02:44:21,200
Ayatollah fall from the sky he will land

3500
02:44:30,720 --> 02:44:26,891
on earth and he will ask all of us if

3501
02:44:34,480 --> 02:44:30,730
they are able to define a woman without

3502
02:44:36,700 --> 02:44:34,490
falling into essentialist [\h__\h] I

3503
02:44:40,290 --> 02:44:36,710
have no idea what you're talking about

3504
02:44:43,300 --> 02:44:40,300
who's the Ayatollah the Ayatollah

3505
02:44:47,070 --> 02:44:43,310
Ayatollah Yasha I say my name is Yasha

3506
02:44:51,670 --> 02:44:47,080
and it is Yasha but Ayatollah Yasha is

3507
02:44:55,300 --> 02:44:51,680
here's another Yasha but who who who is

3508
02:44:58,840 --> 02:44:55,310
the Ayatollah the Ayatollah is heavily

3509
02:45:01,180 --> 02:44:58,850
being from this guy he come from this

3510
02:45:04,810 --> 02:45:01,190
guy and he will come down onto earth and

3511
02:45:06,520 --> 02:45:04,820
he will where's he gonna Jascha where's

3512
02:45:08,380 --> 02:45:06,530
he gonna come from what do you mean the

3513
02:45:10,500 --> 02:45:08,390
sky is he coming from another planet

3514
02:45:19,510 --> 02:45:10,510
from space

3515
02:45:23,860 --> 02:45:19,520
he would it is definitely of the sky and

3516
02:45:30,160 --> 02:45:23,870
he will come in large vessel of steel

3517
02:45:32,800 --> 02:45:30,170
and other alloys metal and he is prophet

3518
02:45:35,310 --> 02:45:32,810
and he will come to earth when is this

3519
02:45:40,480 --> 02:45:35,320
gonna be hacia when is this gonna happen

3520
02:45:44,140 --> 02:45:40,490
this is going to happen on a Jew J 107

3521
02:45:48,430 --> 02:45:44,150
or rather a better way suppose that

3522
02:45:49,540 --> 02:45:48,440
would be the election of Andrew Young in

3523
02:45:55,500 --> 02:45:49,550
2020

3524
02:46:07,780 --> 02:45:55,510
Andrew Andrew who young Andrew yang is

3525
02:46:10,960 --> 02:46:07,790
and that's here in the United States is

3526
02:46:16,630 --> 02:46:10,970
it the future president of the United

3527
02:46:20,650 --> 02:46:16,640
States yes under President of the United

3528
02:46:22,750 --> 02:46:20,660
States well this is exciting so you're

3529
02:46:25,150 --> 02:46:22,760
making a prediction here or do you know

3530
02:46:34,870 --> 02:46:25,160
the future and you know that this is

3531
02:46:40,240 --> 02:46:34,880
going to happen so where's the prophecy

3532
02:46:44,820 --> 02:46:40,250
from prophecy the prophecy is from read

3533
02:46:47,620 --> 02:46:44,830
the sacred text of the doorway

3534
02:46:50,450 --> 02:46:47,630
interesting interesting

3535
02:46:53,060 --> 02:46:50,460
so this is hold on Yasha

3536
02:46:57,080 --> 02:46:53,070
this is pretty interesting so I'm gonna

3537
02:47:09,410 --> 02:46:57,090
note this this is election day 2020 this

3538
02:47:14,180 --> 02:47:09,420
is going to happen on materialist

3539
02:47:16,400 --> 02:47:14,190
conception of history this is great what

3540
02:47:17,960 --> 02:47:16,410
we'll see if it happens Yahoo you want

3541
02:47:21,770 --> 02:47:17,970
to be right with this kind of stuff you

3542
02:47:22,850 --> 02:47:21,780
know that right okay well you have a

3543
02:47:26,960 --> 02:47:22,860
great night

3544
02:47:29,690 --> 02:47:26,970
I've written it all down I'm looking at

3545
02:47:32,180 --> 02:47:29,700
you I'm looking I'm looking I'm looking

3546
02:47:32,870 --> 02:47:32,190
at your picture here that's pretty

3547
02:47:36,050 --> 02:47:32,880
interesting

3548
02:47:44,150 --> 02:47:36,060
so we'll see all right have a great

3549
02:47:56,240 --> 02:47:44,160
night I love you I love you too you got

3550
02:48:00,440 --> 02:47:56,250
it thank you love you too that was great

3551
02:48:04,850 --> 02:48:00,450
seven four seven two two eight two zero

3552
02:48:06,830 --> 02:48:04,860
five would Eric awakening man where did

3553
02:48:14,960 --> 02:48:06,840
you get this where did you get this a

3554
02:48:16,390 --> 02:48:14,970
gift this is uh this Oh which is do

3555
02:48:21,350 --> 02:48:16,400
funny

3556
02:48:27,560 --> 02:48:21,360
Election Day 2020 the ayatollahs gonna

3557
02:48:32,270 --> 02:48:27,570
come from this oh man all right getting

3558
02:48:33,890 --> 02:48:32,280
back to it I gotta tell you about I that

3559
02:48:38,810 --> 02:48:33,900
that's entertainment

3560
02:48:43,010 --> 02:48:38,820
right there I know right Eddie for

3561
02:48:50,900 --> 02:48:43,020
Pennsylvania it's exactly alright anyway

3562
02:48:52,550 --> 02:48:50,910
back to getting back to I'm looking

3563
02:48:56,570 --> 02:48:52,560
through Twitter here I'm trying to keep

3564
02:48:58,520 --> 02:48:56,580
up with everybody I know that okay okay

3565
02:49:00,940 --> 02:48:58,530
hold on hold on let me see I got it

3566
02:49:07,180 --> 02:49:04,270
hang on hey Eric what's going on man

3567
02:49:08,290 --> 02:49:07,190
well I got a shock that didn't think I

3568
02:49:10,270 --> 02:49:08,300
was gonna be able to slide in there

3569
02:49:15,340 --> 02:49:10,280
tonight yeah well no I was waiting for

3570
02:49:18,670 --> 02:49:15,350
you man I've got I've got I you know I

3571
02:49:19,930 --> 02:49:18,680
was I was holding off on taking another

3572
02:49:21,640 --> 02:49:19,940
call you know there there are people

3573
02:49:24,400 --> 02:49:21,650
that have been a whole on hold now for a

3574
02:49:28,480 --> 02:49:24,410
while that are going man Eric got

3575
02:49:31,900 --> 02:49:28,490
through okay all right they see what's

3576
02:49:34,440 --> 02:49:31,910
going on so where did you get this gift

3577
02:49:46,360 --> 02:49:34,450
from is that does that andrew yang

3578
02:49:48,670 --> 02:49:46,370
control control and is that him the

3579
02:49:58,150 --> 02:49:48,680
ayatollahs gonna come in a ship from

3580
02:50:02,020 --> 02:49:58,160
made for many alloys Andrew Yang is

3581
02:50:05,590 --> 02:50:02,030
gonna get elected okay so there you go

3582
02:50:07,420 --> 02:50:05,600
all right so what would you think of

3583
02:50:09,970 --> 02:50:07,430
that conversation tonight look man I

3584
02:50:12,130 --> 02:50:09,980
want you to uh I mean you know it's

3585
02:50:13,480 --> 02:50:12,140
funny I don't know about two weeks ago I

3586
02:50:14,380 --> 02:50:13,490
started following him on Twitter I

3587
02:50:17,200 --> 02:50:14,390
didn't know who he was

3588
02:50:18,880 --> 02:50:17,210
I'm gonna man this dude is smart I gotta

3589
02:50:20,680 --> 02:50:18,890
get him on our show well I started

3590
02:50:22,720 --> 02:50:20,690
contacting him and he agreed and then lo

3591
02:50:24,070 --> 02:50:22,730
and behold he's gone yourself so I'm

3592
02:50:25,840 --> 02:50:24,080
glad you got and then that was a great

3593
02:50:29,110 --> 02:50:25,850
interview you were awesome tonight let's

3594
02:50:30,760 --> 02:50:29,120
show what show do you have you know our

3595
02:50:32,560 --> 02:50:30,770
show the show that Richard Doty is gonna

3596
02:50:35,200 --> 02:50:32,570
be on next Tuesday the quantum hologram

3597
02:50:37,870 --> 02:50:35,210
matrix you're gonna have Richard okay

3598
02:50:39,850 --> 02:50:37,880
what's your show called the quantum

3599
02:50:41,830 --> 02:50:39,860
hologram matrix it's John Polk's show

3600
02:50:43,480 --> 02:50:41,840
I'm just I'm just a guy that runs around

3601
02:50:47,020 --> 02:50:43,490
at the conferences and grab these guys

3602
02:50:51,100 --> 02:50:47,030
oh and you guys you guys are gonna have

3603
02:50:52,750 --> 02:50:51,110
Dodi why would you have dhoti on my

3604
02:50:54,760 --> 02:50:52,760
opinion and first of all let you know

3605
02:50:59,710 --> 02:50:54,770
are you drinking are you drinking the

3606
02:51:02,890 --> 02:50:59,720
Dodi kool-aid most respect for you

3607
02:51:04,930 --> 02:51:02,900
because I know your research I mean I'm

3608
02:51:06,940 --> 02:51:04,940
just a junior researcher compared to you

3609
02:51:08,770 --> 02:51:06,950
however you've got to give me a little

3610
02:51:09,850 --> 02:51:08,780
props you know I do you know drive my

3611
02:51:12,670 --> 02:51:09,860
butt out there and get to these places

3612
02:51:14,320 --> 02:51:12,680
and I do find these people and I and I

3613
02:51:16,480 --> 02:51:14,330
spent four hours with Dodi at the mega

3614
02:51:18,270 --> 02:51:16,490
kana I'm not exaggerating and I mean I

3615
02:51:20,190 --> 02:51:18,280
think my judgement is

3616
02:51:22,530 --> 02:51:20,200
sound I'm not saying it's perfect but I

3617
02:51:24,660 --> 02:51:22,540
just think the guy deserves another fair

3618
02:51:26,220 --> 02:51:24,670
well I know you don't believe this but I

3619
02:51:27,301 --> 02:51:26,230
think he deserves a fair hearing and

3620
02:51:29,100 --> 02:51:27,311
we're going to give it to him I'm not

3621
02:51:31,080 --> 02:51:29,110
saying I agree or disagree with them I

3622
02:51:32,610 --> 02:51:31,090
just think there's more to the story he

3623
02:51:35,220 --> 02:51:32,620
told me some things privately that he

3624
02:51:36,660 --> 02:51:35,230
asked me not to repeat and I love Linda

3625
02:51:38,100 --> 02:51:36,670
I'm not gonna say anything negative

3626
02:51:39,930 --> 02:51:38,110
about Linda but there's a lot of

3627
02:51:41,761 --> 02:51:39,940
information that we both don't know that

3628
02:51:44,820 --> 02:51:41,771
he knows that I'm trying to get from him

3629
02:51:46,381 --> 02:51:44,830
that's really the bottom line hmm you

3630
02:51:47,820 --> 02:51:46,391
drank the kool-aid I would love you know

3631
02:51:50,430 --> 02:51:47,830
I would love if you would call it a

3632
02:51:52,110 --> 02:51:50,440
matter of fact no but free up my update

3633
02:51:53,940 --> 02:51:52,120
or not membership if you can call in and

3634
02:51:54,751 --> 02:51:53,950
ask Dodie a few questions on our she'll

3635
02:52:05,940 --> 02:51:54,761
be thrilled

3636
02:52:09,720 --> 02:52:05,950
nope it's just a interesting look I if I

3637
02:52:11,341 --> 02:52:09,730
was Richard Doty and he's probably well

3638
02:52:15,961 --> 02:52:11,351
okay I'm not gonna say but if I was

3639
02:52:20,070 --> 02:52:15,971
Richard okay okay if I was if I was

3640
02:52:23,310 --> 02:52:20,080
Richard Doty I would just ride my horse

3641
02:52:23,700 --> 02:52:23,320
off into the sunset that's what I would

3642
02:52:28,620 --> 02:52:23,710
do

3643
02:52:31,020 --> 02:52:28,630
I mean why why go to UFO conferences why

3644
02:52:37,171 --> 02:52:31,030
hang out why can't why why do interview

3645
02:52:40,770 --> 02:52:37,181
why why there's no reason there's that's

3646
02:52:47,610 --> 02:52:40,780
what I'm saying why do that why I mean

3647
02:52:49,680 --> 02:52:47,620
why well I can you know if if everything

3648
02:52:53,370 --> 02:52:49,690
let's just say this if everything that

3649
02:52:57,600 --> 02:52:53,380
we said that he has said is is true then

3650
02:52:58,921 --> 02:52:57,610
why say anything else there there's no

3651
02:53:00,511 --> 02:52:58,931
reason for it

3652
02:53:05,100 --> 02:53:00,521
geez ride off into the sunset and

3653
02:53:06,421 --> 02:53:05,110
disappear and and who is this Pratt guy

3654
02:53:07,890 --> 02:53:06,431
because you brought up his name Pratt

3655
02:53:09,660 --> 02:53:07,900
and I'd never heard of Pratt and I'm

3656
02:53:13,680 --> 02:53:09,670
just curious who is this Pratt guy came

3657
02:53:16,980 --> 02:53:13,690
in at 20 30 seconds from Ilias they they

3658
02:53:20,291 --> 02:53:16,990
were going to write a book and this I

3659
02:53:26,921 --> 02:53:24,671
this is okay this is part of this is UFO

3660
02:53:28,720 --> 02:53:26,931
folk folklore but there's a lot of

3661
02:53:31,180 --> 02:53:28,730
documentation out there the Pratt tapes

3662
02:53:33,161 --> 02:53:31,190
and and and stuff that they were gonna

3663
02:53:38,110 --> 02:53:33,171
write a book the book is called Project

3664
02:53:41,411 --> 02:53:38,120
Aquarius they change the name to magic

3665
02:53:46,301 --> 02:53:41,421
twelve I believe that's it and it's

3666
02:53:52,211 --> 02:53:46,311
magic with the jmh aik 12 all based on

3667
02:53:54,610 --> 02:53:52,221
MJ 12 and the UFO phenomenon and I

3668
02:53:56,171 --> 02:53:54,620
believe now so that's it that's it in a

3669
02:54:00,251 --> 02:53:56,181
nutshell cuz I'm gonna run out of time

3670
02:54:02,591 --> 02:54:00,261
and that all of this predated everything

3671
02:54:04,801 --> 02:54:02,601
else that ended up happening anyway and

3672
02:54:08,560 --> 02:54:04,811
I'm talking about the mj-12 documents

3673
02:54:12,400 --> 02:54:08,570
and the aviary and and Falcon and and

3674
02:54:15,881 --> 02:54:12,410
and and all of that stuff so that the

3675
02:54:18,730 --> 02:54:15,891
story was already written and that now

3676
02:54:20,470 --> 02:54:18,740
again I'm not saying this as fact this

3677
02:54:23,350 --> 02:54:20,480
is part of what everybody else can go

3678
02:54:26,860 --> 02:54:23,360
and research that it involved I believe

3679
02:54:30,911 --> 02:54:26,870
bill more Jamie sander a maybe Pratt

3680
02:54:34,270 --> 02:54:30,921
maybe and Dodi maybe and that this this

3681
02:54:37,511 --> 02:54:34,280
book was was out there and and I think

3682
02:54:41,261 --> 02:54:37,521
even in the book bennewitz his name was

3683
02:54:44,171 --> 02:54:41,271
in there as dr. Berkowitz I think that's

3684
02:54:47,850 --> 02:54:44,181
it instead of Benowitz I believe that

3685
02:54:50,940 --> 02:54:47,860
that that is the case okay so look

3686
02:54:53,261 --> 02:54:50,950
that's it and if that is indeed true

3687
02:54:55,121 --> 02:54:53,271
what does that say about everything else

3688
02:54:57,881 --> 02:54:55,131
that ended up happening anyway I don't

3689
02:55:02,711 --> 02:54:57,891
know but if there's enough dark clouds

3690
02:55:03,701 --> 02:55:02,721
over at that you know you know I real

3691
02:55:05,801 --> 02:55:03,711
quickly because I know you're not gonna

3692
02:55:07,751 --> 02:55:05,811
cut me off in a minute but I'm gonna

3693
02:55:09,640 --> 02:55:07,761
give I'm gonna ask him every frickin

3694
02:55:11,680 --> 02:55:09,650
question that you just asked and fifty

3695
02:55:13,211 --> 02:55:11,690
other ones and and I think I've got to

3696
02:55:15,100 --> 02:55:13,221
get enough rapport with the guy I like

3697
02:55:17,350 --> 02:55:15,110
the guy I know I'm not supposed to like

3698
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him but just like NJ said he is a very

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02:55:21,280 --> 02:55:19,881
likable guy and you know he might be the

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02:55:23,171 --> 02:55:21,290
smartest guy in the world or maybe he's

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02:55:25,030 --> 02:55:23,181
just a likable guy he's misunderstood I

3702
02:55:26,350 --> 02:55:25,040
just think we'd give him a chance and if

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02:55:28,241 --> 02:55:26,360
he said it's you know what if he can't

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02:55:30,280 --> 02:55:28,251
answer the questions accurately and he

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02:55:32,110 --> 02:55:30,290
can't give us a good responses then we

3706
02:55:32,951 --> 02:55:32,120
can have our opinions but I just think

3707
02:55:33,729 --> 02:55:32,961
we need to give him one more chance

3708
02:55:35,170 --> 02:55:33,739
before you

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02:55:38,710 --> 02:55:35,180
rides off into sunset that's all I'm

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02:55:40,510 --> 02:55:38,720
saying no up to you it's up to you it's

3711
02:55:41,619 --> 02:55:40,520
up to you and then one more thing one

3712
02:55:44,590 --> 02:55:41,629
last thing I'll then I'll get off your

3713
02:55:47,289 --> 02:55:44,600
air here I just have to plug the show

3714
02:55:49,630 --> 02:55:47,299
Saturday night with Pete we're gonna do

3715
02:55:52,289 --> 02:55:49,640
a show called altered and it's call-in

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02:55:54,999 --> 02:55:52,299
show only for all the hybrids hybrids

3717
02:55:57,550 --> 02:55:55,009
experiencers contactees and star seeds

3718
02:55:59,349 --> 02:55:57,560
and if you and Rita at home you know eat

3719
02:56:00,639 --> 02:55:59,359
your popcorn drinking your vodka you can

3720
02:56:03,760 --> 02:56:00,649
tune in and listen I think you're gonna

3721
02:56:05,710 --> 02:56:03,770
be entertained I think Saturday night

3722
02:56:11,769 --> 02:56:05,720
well we might be able to listen I don't

3723
02:56:16,029 --> 02:56:11,779
know oh you're you're plugging a new

3724
02:56:18,550 --> 02:56:16,039
show on and we're gonna I'm gonna

3725
02:56:20,170 --> 02:56:18,560
mention fade to black on during our show

3726
02:56:22,179 --> 02:56:20,180
as up in a positive way I just want to

3727
02:56:24,069 --> 02:56:22,189
know if that's okay because you you are

3728
02:56:26,229 --> 02:56:24,079
my inspiration I'm not just saying that

3729
02:56:28,479 --> 02:56:26,239
to try to move you over I mean because

3730
02:56:29,739 --> 02:56:28,489
if it weren't for you I would have never

3731
02:56:31,449 --> 02:56:29,749
had the confidence to even talk to

3732
02:56:33,670 --> 02:56:31,459
anybody on the radio and I'm excited

3733
02:56:36,689 --> 02:56:33,680
about doing the show all right well good

3734
02:56:40,449 --> 02:56:36,699
luck to you man it sounds pretty cool

3735
02:56:42,279 --> 02:56:40,459
all right Eric behaving be well okay and

3736
02:56:50,109 --> 02:56:42,289
quit drinking the kool-aid I'll talk to

3737
02:56:52,569 --> 02:56:50,119
you Eric awakening man and with that

3738
02:56:54,189 --> 02:56:52,579
what a great show tonight and I want to

3739
02:56:56,829 --> 02:56:54,199
thank everybody not only that called in

3740
02:57:01,029 --> 02:56:56,839
but Twitter was just on fire thank you

3741
02:57:05,679 --> 02:57:01,039
for all of that and M Jabin eius and his

3742
02:57:08,019 --> 02:57:05,689
website is tara ter ra obscura dotnet

3743
02:57:10,899 --> 02:57:08,029
the links are over at Jimmy Church

3744
02:57:14,710 --> 02:57:10,909
radio.com the book is called the UFO

3745
02:57:16,869 --> 02:57:14,720
people a curious culture and it is due

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02:57:18,670 --> 02:57:16,879
out in the next couple of days okay and

3747
02:57:21,269 --> 02:57:18,680
the links are up over Jimmy Church

3748
02:57:24,340 --> 02:57:21,279
radio.com and we have muffin Twitter

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02:57:26,859 --> 02:57:24,350
Peyton blacks executive producer is Rita

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02:57:29,079 --> 02:57:26,869
Kumari on shows produced by Hilton Jay

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02:57:31,439 --> 02:57:29,089
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3752
02:57:34,059 --> 02:57:31,449
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02:57:36,789 --> 02:57:34,069
webmaster is drew the geek music doug

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02:57:43,251 --> 02:57:36,799
aldrich intro space boys space boy music

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02:57:45,770 --> 02:57:43,261
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02:57:47,511 --> 02:57:45,780
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02:57:49,341 --> 02:57:47,521
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02:57:51,501 --> 02:57:49,351
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02:57:53,810 --> 02:57:51,511
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02:57:55,581 --> 02:57:53,820
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02:57:57,320 --> 02:57:55,591
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02:58:00,110 --> 02:57:57,330
the GameChanger network I'm Yours Timmy

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02:58:02,990 --> 02:58:00,120
Church follow me on Twitter at JD Church

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02:58:04,671 --> 02:58:03,000
radio until tomorrow night fader night

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02:58:11,920 --> 02:58:04,681
open lines all night long I want